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    What is the threat of what you think of as Christian antinomianism?

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    Antinomianism is the teaching that it does not matter how Christians behave or how many sins they commit; that as long as they accept the resurrection as a historical fact, they will go to heaven. I maintain this gives people a false sense of security that they are saved when they are headed straight to hell on their current paths.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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      The corresponding question is "what does the 'nomian' refer to?" Is this just a reference to things required in the New Testament or is it including Old Testament laws -- as a requirement upon Christians?

      This is sort of the question about what a Christian must do. (and how this is defined)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        Antinomianism is the teaching that it does not matter how Christians behave or how many sins they commit; that as long as they accept the resurrection as a historical fact, they will go to heaven....
        To play Devil's advocate (kinda sorta) I know somebody else who believes in the resurrection as a historical fact, and he's a high value target in Hell.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
          The corresponding question is "what does the 'nomian' refer to?" Is this just a reference to things required in the New Testament or is it including Old Testament laws -- as a requirement upon Christians?

          This is sort of the question about what a Christian must do. (and how this is defined)
          I think historically speaking it refers to Old Testament laws, but in more modern usage, I hear it more in terms of what I said. But this is one of those terms that not everybody uses in the same way, so clarification is always a good thing.
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
            What is the threat of what you think of as Christian antinomianism?
            The threat, as KG so aptly pointed out, is the false sense of security in Salvation. AND, the leading astray of others to miss out on what it takes to receive Salvation.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              The threat, as KG so aptly pointed out, is the false sense of security in Salvation. AND, the leading astray of others to miss out on what it takes to receive Salvation.
              is part of the problem related to someone who is not seeking to understand and follow OT laws?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                The corresponding question is "what does the 'nomian' refer to?" Is this just a reference to things required in the New Testament or is it including Old Testament laws -- as a requirement upon Christians?

                This is sort of the question about what a Christian must do. (and how this is defined)
                anti + nomos = against law (Greek)

                -ian modifies the construct to an adjective, so 'antinomian' would be 'one who is against law'

                Looking online, I see explanations of antinomianism being against either the moral law or Mosaic law; I suspect most usages outside of messianic Judaism refer to the moral law, however.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                  is part of the problem related to someone who is not seeking to understand and follow OT laws?
                  Not sure I understand what you're asking, but to me, the problem is not understanding Grace through Faith, and the whole "you are my disciples if you obey my commands" thing.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    anti + nomos = against law (Greek)

                    -ian modifies the construct to an adjective, so 'antinomian' would be 'one who is against law'

                    Looking online, I see explanations of antinomianism being against either the moral law or Mosaic law; I suspect most usages outside of messianic Judaism refer to the moral law, however.
                    So, you looked it up online. Does this mean that you have not been concerned about antinomian behavior by people?

                    Is the concern that someone who is antinomian will then also be immoral in behavior? Or are we primarily concerned about people who purposely go against a law -- whether OT laws or the law of Christ?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Not sure I understand what you're asking, but to me, the problem is not understanding Grace through Faith, and the whole "you are my disciples if you obey my commands" thing.
                      And what do you consider to be Jesus' commandments? Just stuff in the NT or also stuff in the OT?

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                      • #12
                        Thanks people for discussing this. I'm not trying to be contrary. I just want to see how people perceive antinomianism.

                        Another question could be "Can a person be an ethically concerned and abiding Christian without having an interest or concern for the OT laws?"
                        Last edited by mikewhitney; 10-17-2019, 04:28 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                          Thanks people for discussing this. I'm not trying to be contrary. I just want to see how people perceive antinomianism.
                          Do you have a definition in mind?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                            And what do you consider to be Jesus' commandments? Just stuff in the NT or also stuff in the OT?
                            Personally, I've always considered myself a "New Testament Christian". I don't follow the OT dietary, civil, or ceremonial laws, but the OT moral laws are kinda hard to chunk.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                              Do you have a definition in mind?
                              I have certain ideas bouncing around in my head. Thanks for asking.

                              My questions are rubbing against the edges of my ideas on OT and NT law.
                              Last edited by mikewhitney; 10-17-2019, 04:36 PM.

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