What is the threat of what you think of as Christian antinomianism?
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Antinomianism is the teaching that it does not matter how Christians behave or how many sins they commit; that as long as they accept the resurrection as a historical fact, they will go to heaven. I maintain this gives people a false sense of security that they are saved when they are headed straight to hell on their current paths."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostAntinomianism is the teaching that it does not matter how Christians behave or how many sins they commit; that as long as they accept the resurrection as a historical fact, they will go to heaven....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostThe corresponding question is "what does the 'nomian' refer to?" Is this just a reference to things required in the New Testament or is it including Old Testament laws -- as a requirement upon Christians?
This is sort of the question about what a Christian must do. (and how this is defined)"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostWhat is the threat of what you think of as Christian antinomianism?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe threat, as KG so aptly pointed out, is the false sense of security in Salvation. AND, the leading astray of others to miss out on what it takes to receive Salvation.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostThe corresponding question is "what does the 'nomian' refer to?" Is this just a reference to things required in the New Testament or is it including Old Testament laws -- as a requirement upon Christians?
This is sort of the question about what a Christian must do. (and how this is defined)
-ian modifies the construct to an adjective, so 'antinomian' would be 'one who is against law'
Looking online, I see explanations of antinomianism being against either the moral law or Mosaic law; I suspect most usages outside of messianic Judaism refer to the moral law, however.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View Postis part of the problem related to someone who is not seeking to understand and follow OT laws?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Postanti + nomos = against law (Greek)
-ian modifies the construct to an adjective, so 'antinomian' would be 'one who is against law'
Looking online, I see explanations of antinomianism being against either the moral law or Mosaic law; I suspect most usages outside of messianic Judaism refer to the moral law, however.
Is the concern that someone who is antinomian will then also be immoral in behavior? Or are we primarily concerned about people who purposely go against a law -- whether OT laws or the law of Christ?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNot sure I understand what you're asking, but to me, the problem is not understanding Grace through Faith, and the whole "you are my disciples if you obey my commands" thing.
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Thanks people for discussing this. I'm not trying to be contrary. I just want to see how people perceive antinomianism.
Another question could be "Can a person be an ethically concerned and abiding Christian without having an interest or concern for the OT laws?"Last edited by mikewhitney; 10-17-2019, 04:28 PM.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostAnd what do you consider to be Jesus' commandments? Just stuff in the NT or also stuff in the OT?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostDo you have a definition in mind?
My questions are rubbing against the edges of my ideas on OT and NT law.Last edited by mikewhitney; 10-17-2019, 04:36 PM.
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