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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Personally, I've always considered myself a "New Testament Christian". I don't follow the OT dietary, civil, or ceremonial laws, but the OT moral laws are kinda hard to chunk.
    Hard to chunk? I don't speak Texan (and I am working on writing in standard English) Do you mean that it is hard to define exactly how (technically/theologically) the OT moral laws fit into the Christian law?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
      So, you looked it up online. Does this mean that you have not been concerned about antinomian behavior by people?
      No. I wanted to bounce my internal presumption against what others think as a crosscheck.

      The first bit I didn't need to look up.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
        Hard to chunk? I don't speak Texan (and I am working on writing in standard English) Do you mean that it is hard to define exactly how (technically/theologically) the OT moral laws fit into the Christian law?
        Sorry - to "chunk" something means to throw it away. "I didn't like the taco, and even Jake wouldn't eat it, so I chunked it".

        Start with the 10 commandments -- I can't think of anything that a New Testament Christian would find objectionable, with the caveat that #6 is about murder, not killing.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          This isn't a new problem in Christianity at all. James and Paul both address it, and Pelagius got started on his infamous path by asking what was actually a perfectly reasonable question: Why do Christians and non-Christians act so similarly?
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #20
            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
            This isn't a new problem in Christianity at all. James and Paul both address it, and Pelagius got started on his infamous path by asking what was actually a perfectly reasonable question: Why do Christians and non-Christians act so similarly?
            But James was nomian and Paul was antinomian -- I'm kidding, sorta. This current discussion was triggered in my head by the one about Paul and James.



            I was talking to a guy (about a month ago) at church who got concerned about antinomiamism. So I wondered what his fear was about. I'm not planning on asking him for any more detail on this. But I became curious what others may think on this.
            Last edited by mikewhitney; 10-17-2019, 04:56 PM.

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            • #21
              95% of Christians are antinomian. Everyone who isn't a theonomist is an antinomian. By King's Gambit's (false) rubric, pretty much everyone is going to hell.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Sorry - to "chunk" something means to throw it away. "I didn't like the taco, and even Jake wouldn't eat it, so I chunked it".
                Equivalent, perhaps, to "chuck" in other parts of the country.
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                • #23
                  As you might gather from my sig, I don't consider it much of a threat at all.

                  IMO, the two "gutters" are antinomianism and legalism. In practical terms, it is impossible to navigate a path precisely equidistant between the two, and so I'm determined to always err in the antinomian direction.

                  I don't consider even the Decalogue "binding" except in the NT formulation of "Love one another," and even then I don't consider perfection to be required.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                    Equivalent, perhaps, to "chuck" in other parts of the country.
                    Hmmmm... perhaps!

                    And when you accidentally knock something over, especially if it's like a cup of coffee or a coke, you "tump it out" or "tump it over".
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Hmmmm... perhaps!

                      And when you accidentally knock something over, especially if it's like a cup of coffee or a coke, you "tump it out" or "tump it over".
                      I'm checking if there is a class to learn Texan or if google can translate Texan to English.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                        I'm checking if there is a class to learn Texan or if google can translate Texan to English.
                        That's a little more difficult than it sounds, cause Texas has 5 distinct regions, and people up in East Texas (Tyler and thereabouts) don't talk like people from West Texas (Midland/Odessa), then there's "El Norte" along the Texas/Mexico border...

                        The Five States of Texas

                        All that said, I don't have an accent. Everybody else talks funny.
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                        • #27
                          so there are actually 54 states in the USofA. So people who said there are 52 states are sort of right if they actually include the jokers

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                            so there are actually 54 states in the USofA. So people who said there are 52 states are sort of right if they actually include the jokers
                            To me, the West Texas accent (Midland/Odessa) and the East Texas accent (Tyler, the "piney woods", along the border of Louisiana) are the most... um... "different".
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #29
                              my thoughts now...

                              The threat of antinomianism is not a big issue.

                              First, the Law of Moses was written for the Israel tribes within the Mosaic covenant. (Rom 3:19-20)

                              The letter of the Law went away for various reasons -- part of which was that Christians don't have the same circumstances. We don't have a land dedicated to us. Nor are Christians under threat of 'pagan' religions as were the Israel tribes.

                              There were problems of adherence to the letter of the law. People exalted the law over against a focus on God. People judged each other based on faulty definitions of what the law required.

                              Christians are under the law of Christ -- but this is basically two commandments.

                              Paul wasn't giving permission to do all sorts of evil. He even spoke against bad behavior, but in a fashion to avoid getting people focused on the OT law.

                              Yet, the OT scriptures were still important to guide people who were going off the deep end. Paul told Timothy that the scriptures were good for reproof, for correction. So we do find God's will expressed -- and thus God's guidance.

                              It is not the typical Christian who would be inclined to live an unruly life. I would just apply antinomianism as a description of people dead set against living decently. I wouldn't apply the term to describe someone who didn't care to read the OT and learn its laws.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                Not sure I understand what you're asking, but to me, the problem is not understanding Grace through Faith, and the whole "you are my disciples if you obey my commands" thing.
                                And CP you follow Christ's commands? You love God with ALL your heart? You really love your neighbor as yourself?

                                The threat, as KG so aptly pointed out, is the false sense of security in Salvation. AND, the leading astray of others to miss out on what it takes to receive Salvation.
                                How many works does it take to receive this salvation?
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