The obvious has been officially confirmed ...

[oxmixmudd]

Headline on CNN:

Mulvaney brashly admits quid pro quo over Ukraine aid as key details emerge

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/polit...aid/index.html

Source: cnn

White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney made a stunning admission Thursday by confirming that President Donald Trump froze nearly $400 million in US security aid to Ukraine in part to pressure that country into investigating Democrats.

Mulvaney insisted that he only knew of a US request to investigate the handling of a Democratic National Committee server hacked in the 2016 election, but text messages between US diplomats show efforts to get Ukraine to commit to an investigation into Burisma, the company on whose board former Vice President Joe Biden's son sat. There is no evidence of wrongdoing in Ukraine by either Biden.
"That's why we held up the money," Mulvaney said after listing the 2016-related investigation and Trump's broader concerns about corruption in Ukraine.

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So - to be clear - what he is admitting as far as a politically motivated quid-pro-quo is that the money was held pending a commitment to investigate into the servers and the 2016 election as it related to the Democrats.

Other texts show that this also included investigations into Burisma.

Bottom line: there is now a direct tie to Trump holding the money as leverage to get Ukraine to investigate issues related to his campaign. It was not merely 'corruption in the Ukraine'.




Jim

[Mountain Man]

From another thread...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...to-dnc-server/

[Mountain Man]

Headline on CNN...

And speaking of CNN:

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...-quid-pro-quo/

So CNN claims "Mulvaney admits quid pro quo!"

In reality, Mulvaney emphatically denies that it was quid pro quo.

[JimL]

Headline on CNN:

Mulvaney brashly admits quid pro quo over Ukraine aid as key details emerge

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/polit...aid/index.html

Source: cnn

White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney made a stunning admission Thursday by confirming that President Donald Trump froze nearly $400 million in US security aid to Ukraine in part to pressure that country into investigating Democrats.

Mulvaney insisted that he only knew of a US request to investigate the handling of a Democratic National Committee server hacked in the 2016 election, but text messages between US diplomats show efforts to get Ukraine to commit to an investigation into Burisma, the company on whose board former Vice President Joe Biden's son sat. There is no evidence of wrongdoing in Ukraine by either Biden.
"That's why we held up the money," Mulvaney said after listing the 2016-related investigation and Trump's broader concerns about corruption in Ukraine.

© Copyright Original Source

So - to be clear - what he is admitting as far as a politically motivated quid-pro-quo is that the money was held pending a commitment to investigate into the servers and the 2016 election as it related to the Democrats.

Other texts show that this also included investigations into Burisma.

Bottom line: there is now a direct tie to Trump holding the money as leverage to get Ukraine to investigate issues related to his campaign. It was not merely 'corruption in the Ukraine'.




Jim

It's true, we knew it anyway, it's in the transcript, and now it's been admitted to, but it doesn't even matter, since a quid pro quo is not even needed for it to be an impeachable offense. Simply asking a foreign government to simply investigate, to dig up, or to manufacture dirt on a political rival is impeachable. I'm sure Mulvaney is aware of the testimony of others and so isn't going to risk his own neck by outright lying for the president so he'll try to put the truth in as good of a favorable light as he can for his corrupt boss.

[Mountain Man]

So the fact that Mulvaney confirmed what we already knew, that Trump did not withhold funding in exchange for investigating Biden, isn't going to phase you guys, is it? It's like the Mueller report all over again, where Mueller says, "I can't conclude that the President committed any crimes," and you guys are all, "He just totally concluded that the President committed a crime!"

[JimL]

And speaking of CNN:

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...-quid-pro-quo/

So CNN claims "Mulvaney admits quid pro quo!"

In reality, Mulvaney emphatically denies that it was quid pro quo.

Unfortunately for you and for Trump, it's in the transcript. Besides that, no quid pro quo is needed.

[Mountain Man]

In other news...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-interference/

[JimL]

In other news...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-interference/

MM, you're making yourself look more and more ridiculous. Trump is attempting to get Ukraine to take resposibility for the 2016 election interference so that he can, once again do Putins bidding, and lift the sanctions on Russia. How much does Trump have to do for Russia before you recognize him for the traitor he is. Btw, he also forced Ukraine to make a deal with Russia to allow elections in Eastern Ukraine, a move that has led to wide spread protests in Ukraine. Wasn't that nice of Trump? Putin certainly thinks so, don't ya think?

[JimL]

So the fact that Mulvaney confirmed what we already knew, that Trump did not withhold funding in exchange for investigating Biden, isn't going to phase you guys, is it? It's like the Mueller report all over again, where Mueller says, "I can't conclude that the President committed any crimes," and you guys are all, "He just totally concluded that the President committed a crime!"

MM, did you see the press conference, did you hear what Mulvaney said, or are you just dialing up Breitbart to see what they say he said? Obviously the answer is the latter. Mulvaney was very explicit about it, he said with respect to Ukraine investigating the supposed, and totally debunked interference in the 2016 election, that "yes, that's exactly why we held back the aid." They want Ukraine to clear the Russians and take responsibility for the election interference and they were holding back the aid until Ukraine agreed to cooperate with that fraud.

[oxmixmudd]

So the fact that Mulvaney confirmed what we already knew, that Trump did not withhold funding in exchange for investigating Biden, isn't going to phase you guys, is it? It's like the Mueller report all over again, where Mueller says, "I can't conclude that the President committed any crimes," and you guys are all, "He just totally concluded that the President committed a crime!"

Nice try, but you are so far off the mark it's not even funny.

First, the White House has been trying to spin this as Trump trying to get Ukraine to combat general corruption. But mulvaneyscadmission shows there was a clear political motivation as well. To benefit his campaign efforts against the democrats.

Second, when you combine the now clarified fact Trump held up money to force politically motivated corruption investigations with Trump's singular focus on the July 25 call with investigating Biden and his son and it's all over.

Trump was clearly and provably trying to force ukraine to help him in 2020 against the democratic front runner at the time, Joe biden, and that contrary to the national security interests of the United States.

Jim

[Cow Poke]

...Simply asking a foreign government to simply investigate, to dig up, or to manufacture dirt on a political rival is impeachable...

But Hillary can't be impeached! She's not POTUS.

[oxmixmudd]

But Hillary can't be impeached! She's not POTUS.

Hillary? Why bring her into this?

Jim

[Cow Poke]

Hillary? Why bring her into this?

Jim

I'm poking my friend JimL


But, her people hired the British guy to come up with dirt on Trump.

[JimL]

But Hillary can't be impeached! She's not POTUS.

Right, nor did she represent a government and through her power contact and extort a foreign government to investigate, to dig up, or to manurfacture dirt on a political opponent. But Trump did, and that's why he's being impeached.

[JimL]

I'm poking my friend JimL


But, her people hired the British guy to come up with dirt on Trump.

No, her people hired a firm who then hired an ex British spy to do oposition research. Nothing illegal there.