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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    ...Simply asking a foreign government to simply investigate, to dig up, or to manufacture dirt on a political rival is impeachable...
    But Hillary can't be impeached! She's not POTUS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    But Hillary can't be impeached! She's not POTUS.
    Hillary? Why bring her into this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Hillary? Why bring her into this?

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    But, her people hired the British guy to come up with dirt on Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    But Hillary can't be impeached! She's not POTUS.
    Right, nor did she represent a government and through her power contact and extort a foreign government to investigate, to dig up, or to manurfacture dirt on a political opponent. But Trump did, and that's why he's being impeached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    No, her people hired a firm who then hired an ex British spy to do oposition research. Nothing illegal there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLamebrain View Post
    Trump is attempting to get Ukraine to take resposibility for the 2016 election interference so that he can, once again do Putins bidding...
    Right. You've got it all figure out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    First, the White House has been trying to spin this as Trump trying to get Ukraine to combat general corruption. But mulvaneyscadmission shows there was a clear political motivation as well. To benefit his campaign efforts against the democrats.
    Mulvaney never said that the intent was to benefit campaign efforts against the Democrats. That's just your unfounded assumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Right. You've got it all figure out.
    Makes more sense than what you've posted so far. Just sayin'.

    This action by Trump has left valuable equipment in the hands of the Russians, could potentially expose sensitive information to them (see Jevenal's posts in the Kurds thread outlining some of the consequences of the unplanned withdrawal). It has the US abandoning an ally, which further erodes trust for our government which Trump has already eroded significantly. It has Given Russia status in the middle east, access in the middle east. This action has been in our worst interests, and in Russia's best interests.

    So any objective person not married to the idea of Trump as God's US Government Messiah want's to know why he is hurting us so much and helping Russia so much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    No, her people hired a firm who then hired an ex British spy to do oposition research. Nothing illegal there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Mulvaney never said that the intent was to benefit campaign efforts against the Democrats. That's just your unfounded assumption.
    Yes he did:

    Source: Mulvaney


    “Did he also mention to me in passing the corruption related to the D.N.C. server?” Mr. Mulvaney said, referring to Mr. Trump. “Absolutely. No question about that.” He added, “That’s why we held up the money.

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    The corruption related to the DNC server is the only possible 'that' in that phrase. So - they held up hte money because they wanted the DNC server conspiracy investigated. That is a political motivation if there ever was one. Basically, Ukraine helps Trumps US image by showing the Democrats were behind the election hacking, not the Russians, or They don't get money WE NEED THEM TO GET FOR NATIONAL SECURITY REASONS.

    So quid pro quo. You help me politically. I help you militarily. And this against what congress authorized (illegal) and against US National sercurity interests for personal gain (illegal)

    OF course, he's (mulveny) is denying it now. But hey, that is Trump. And why not. He has people like you to argue all day long Mulvaney never made the first statement.

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    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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