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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I think a WHOLE BUNCH of people vote for stupid reasons -- I remember one study years ago that indicated that people always voted for the taller of the two candidates.
    Yes, and the con man currently in the White House shows exactly what can happen when people vote for stupid reasons.


    Unfortunately, instead of addressing the corruption, they're simply going to go on a "vote for me and get FREE STUFF".
    Not true, they speak of the corruption at every campaign stop, at every rally. Surely you've heard them speak of the corruption in government. And that they are promising free stuff is just the republican mantra and not really worth addressing unless you want to be specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Yes, and the con man currently in the White House shows exactly what can happen when people vote for stupid reasons.
    Many of us voted "for" him for quite legitimate reasons, Jim. You obviously don't agree with the sanctity of human life with regards to abortion, but that was a very good reason. If Hillary hadn't ALSO been such a corrupt politician, it would have been much more difficult to defend voting for Trump.

    Not true, they speak of the corruption at every campaign stop, at every rally.
    Yes, "they speak". What are they actually going to do about it when the government crumbles because their socialism destroys society?

    Surely you've heard them speak of the corruption in government.
    Words, Jim. Promises. All politicians promise stuff they can't deliver.

    And that they are promising free stuff is just the republican mantra and not really worth addressing unless you want to be specific.
    Be specific? Might want to pass that on to Warren - she seems quite incapable of being specific about, for example, how she's going to pay for her "FREE EVERYTHING". Even other Democrats are frustrated with her inability to be specific.

    “Sen. Elizabeth Warren said Sunday her campaign will release a plan to pay for the Medicare-for-all health proposal she’s backed ‘in the next few weeks,’ but she continued to deflect questions about whether middle-class taxes would go up,” the Washington Post reports.

    “That promise comes after weeks of attacks from other Democratic candidates in the presidential race, who say Warren is not being honest with voters about how she would fund the massive health-care plan.”

    “The lag in unveiling a payment plan speaks to the difficult position Warren is in: She can either offer some kind of large tax above her wealth tax on the very rich or be pegged as evasive about a major element of her platform. Both carry political risks.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Many of us voted "for" him for quite legitimate reasons, Jim. You obviously don't agree with the sanctity of human life with regards to abortion, but that was a very good reason. If Hillary hadn't ALSO been such a corrupt politician, it would have been much more difficult to defend voting for Trump.
    Yes, but we are not talking about the many of us who vote for quite legitimate reasons, we're talking about the many who vote for ridiculous reasons. And Hillary was, for 30 years, demonized by republicans, but there is little actual evidence of her being corrupt, certainly no where near as corrupt as Trump. Btw, after losing the election partly due to it, and years of investigating her, along with the demonization from the GOP over it, she's just been found not guilty of the E-Mail scam!


    Yes, "they speak". What are they actually going to do about it when the government crumbles because their socialism destroys society?
    They're not president yet, CP, and they can't do it alone, but Warren created the Consumer Protection Agency which has returned billions in corporate rip offs back to the victims. So yes, they talk, they advocate in Congress, and sometimes they get the change they are fighting for. As President, with the will of the people behind them, they'll have a bit more power to do so. Ever hear of the ACA?


    Words, Jim. Promises. All politicians promise stuff they can't deliver.
    Then why do you even vote?


    Be specific? Might want to pass that on to Warren - she seems quite incapable of being specific about, for example, how she's going to pay for her "FREE EVERYTHING". Even other Democrats are frustrated with her inability to be specific.

    “Sen. Elizabeth Warren said Sunday her campaign will release a plan to pay for the Medicare-for-all health proposal she’s backed ‘in the next few weeks,’ but she continued to deflect questions about whether middle-class taxes would go up,” the Washington Post reports.

    “That promise comes after weeks of attacks from other Democratic candidates in the presidential race, who say Warren is not being honest with voters about how she would fund the massive health-care plan.”

    “The lag in unveiling a payment plan speaks to the difficult position Warren is in: She can either offer some kind of large tax above her wealth tax on the very rich or be pegged as evasive about a major element of her platform. Both carry political risks.”
    The payment plan is obviously higher taxes, particularly on the ultra wealthy, which she has made clear over and over again, but the lower cost of healthcare will offset any small rise in middle class taxes. The only thing she hasn't done is to put out the exact specifics/details of the plan. No one has. And the FREE EVERTHING mantra is getting old, CP. We pay taxes to benefit society as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Yes, but we are not talking about the many of us who vote for quite legitimate reasons, we're talking about the many who vote for ridiculous reasons. And Hillary was, for 30 years, demonized by republicans, but there is little actual evidence of her being corrupt, certainly no where near as corrupt as Trump. Btw, after losing the election partly due to it, and years of investigating her, along with the demonization from the GOP over it, she's just been found not guilty of the E-Mail scam!
    And she endlessly blames everybody but herself for her loss.

    They're not president yet, CP, and they can't do it alone, but Warren created the Consumer Protection Agency which has returned billions in corporate rip offs back to the victims. So yes, they talk, they advocate in Congress, and sometimes they get the change they are fighting for. As President, with the will of the people behind them, they'll have a bit more power to do so. Ever hear of the ACA?
    You mean that incredibly expensive program that got rammed through congress in the middle of the night in spite of POTUS Obama PROMISING that all legislation would be transparent and posted on the web for 3 days (or whatever) prior to any vote?

    Then why do you even vote?
    In this past election, you know exactly why I voted, Jim.

    A) Hillary isn't POTUS
    2) SCOTUS isn't Hillary's

    The payment plan is obviously higher taxes, particularly on the ultra wealthy, which she has made clear over and over again, but the lower cost of healthcare will offset any small rise in middle class taxes. The only thing she hasn't done is to put out the exact specifics/details of the plan. No one has. And the FREE EVERTHING mantra is getting old, CP. We pay taxes to benefit society as a whole.
    Jim, why do you supposed that even her fellow liberals are calling her out on her inability to explain how, exactly, she's going to pay for her "FREE EVERYTHING"? Even they know it can't be done. And why do you think she keeps dodging the "how ya gonna pay for it" questions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    And she endlessly blames everybody but herself for her loss.
    Well, she may point to reasons other than herself, which as we all know, there are other reasons, particularly when taking into account that she is much more popular than Trump and won the majority by 3 MILLION votes. That doesn't mean she couldn't have done more, it just means that there were other reasons. There was the Russian interference, the 3rd party candidate, (Jill Stein) and of course the ridiculous electoral college.


    You mean that incredibly expensive program that got rammed through congress in the middle of the night in spite of POTUS Obama PROMISING that all legislation would be transparent and posted on the web for 3 days (or whatever) prior to any vote?
    No, I mean the Consumer Protection Bureau which protects consumers from the corrupt practices of corporate america.


    In this past election, you know exactly why I voted, Jim.

    A) Hillary isn't POTUS
    2) SCOTUS isn't Hillary's
    Then you are contradicting yourself when you implied it's all just promises.


    Jim, why do you supposed that even her fellow liberals are calling her out on her inability to explain how, exactly, she's going to pay for her "FREE EVERYTHING"? Even they know it can't be done. And why do you think she keeps dodging the "how ya gonna pay for it" questions?
    Because they are running against her, CP! What would you expect them to say. And I suppose the reason that she has avoided making it clear that taxes are involved is because the term (taxes) have become a dirty word and must be explained in detail for people to understand how their overall cost will go down. It's a class war, and the middle class and the poor have been losing that war for decades. The wealthy are going to start paying their fair share if any democrat is elected, even more so if Warren or Sanders are elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Well, she may point to reasons other than herself, which as we all know, there are other reasons, particularly when taking into account that she is much more popular than Trump and won the majority by 3 MILLION votes. That doesn't mean she couldn't have done more, it just means that there were other reasons. There was the Russian interference, the 3rd party candidate, (Jill Stein) and of course the ridiculous electoral college.
    She was a terrible candidate who ran a horrible campaign, and ignored the very people her own husband told her were important.

    No, I mean the Consumer Protection Bureau which protects consumers from the corrupt practices of corporate america.
    A) You said the ACA - which I assumed was the Affordable Care Act - you did not say the CPB.
    2) Yes, you also mentioned the "Consumer Protection Agency" which you then referred to as the "Consumer Protection Bureau", which might actually be the "Bureau of Consumer Protection". (just messing with you)
    C) Just out of curiosity, why do you capitalize proper names like those, including Russian, but so often don't capitalize America?

    Then you are contradicting yourself when you implied it's all just promises.
    No contradiction at all, Jim. Trump wasn't a politician, so I rolled the dice that Trump would actually do what he said, and.... lo and behold -- he DID!!!

    Because they are running against her, CP! What would you expect them to say. And I suppose the reason that she has avoided making it clear that taxes are involved is because the term (taxes) have become a dirty word and must be explained in detail for people to understand how their overall cost will go down. It's a class war, and the middle class and the poor have been losing that war for decades. The wealthy are going to start paying their fair share if any democrat is elected, even more so if Warren or Sanders are elected.
    That's one of the interesting things about the two-party system, Jim -- we get to see what the candidates REALLY think about each other, before they hold hands and sing kum bah yah and pretend to love each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    No, I mean the Consumer Protection Bureau which protects consumers from the corrupt practices of corporate america.
    Interestingly enough, this came across the wire today...

    The Supreme Court Is Poised to Strike Down a Major Obama-Era Agency


    I haven't studied it yet, but the descriptor line below the headline reads:

    The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau concentrates power in the hands of a single, unelected, unaccountable official.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    The payment plan is obviously higher taxes, particularly on the ultra wealthy, which she has made clear over and over again, but the lower cost of healthcare will offset any small rise in middle class taxes. The only thing she hasn't done is to put out the exact specifics/details of the plan. No one has. And the FREE EVERTHING mantra is getting old, CP. We pay taxes to benefit society as a whole.
    But let's look at what she actually says....

    Leaked Video Shows Elizabeth Warren Backing Away From Bernie’s Medicare for All Plan

    We’ve got to find a way to get people into Medicare for All as quickly as we can.

    So, it’s not that I have a plan that says we’re going to do this part and then we’re going to do this part and then we’re going to do this part. No, instead my plan is we’re going to get to a table like this. We’re going to make sure that everybody gets represented. We’re going to understand the urgency of the moment to get this solved with people who aren’t covered, and get ourselves on a path where everybody can get there and everybody can get covered at the lowest possible cost. That’s what Medicare for All is all about.


    Kinda sounds like Nancy's, “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    She was a terrible candidate who ran a horrible campaign, and ignored the very people her own husband told her were important.
    Yes, CP, Hillary was so terrible that she garnered 3 million more votes than Trump. Boy, Trump must have been really horrible. I wonder how he pulled it off?

    A) You said the ACA - which I assumed was the Affordable Care Act - you did not say the CPB.
    2) Yes, you also mentioned the "Consumer Protection Agency" which you then referred to as the "Consumer Protection Bureau", which might actually be the "Bureau of Consumer Protection". (just messing with you)
    C) Just out of curiosity, why do you capitalize proper names like those, including Russian, but so often don't capitalize America?
    Right, I mentioned both, as actions that politicians carry through on to counter your denial that politicians only make promises. The ACA was the most difficult piece of legislation I ever saw get passed. You not liking the ACA has nothing to do with that.


    No contradiction at all, Jim. Trump wasn't a politician, so I rolled the dice that Trump would actually do what he said, and.... lo and behold -- he DID!!!
    Aha, so you are a Trump supporter, okay, so we can put that debate to rest. But, other than appoint conservative judges and cut taxes on the wealthy, what is it that you're appreciative of him for doing.


    That's one of the interesting things about the two-party system, Jim -- we get to see what the candidates REALLY think about each other, before they hold hands and sing kum bah yah and pretend to love each other.
    Actually they all have the same goals, mostly, they just have differing ways of going about achieving them.

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