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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostWe were reliably informed that Trump Jr. was going down because of the statute. The next circus act is about Giuliani, which is even more ridiculous because there's no evidence that it was for campaign purposes.
Sometimes you guys are just ... willfully ignorant.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostJust the evidence that at the time, Biden was his chief potential opponent.
Sometimes you guys are just ... willfully ignorant.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhether or not you think it "beggars belief" is entirely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what the evidence shows, and to date, there is zero evidence that Trump was motivated by the upcoming election, zero evidence that Ukrainian officials had any idea that military funding had been temporarily suspended, and zero evidence that President Zelensky took any specific action to get the funding restored. Folks like Vindman can whine and pontificate about politics all they want, but that is not evidence of a crime.
The entire case against Trump is based on the presumption that he's guilty, and Democrats are simply trying to backfill the evidence to make their accusations stick. It's such a travesty of justice that all American patriots, whether they like Trump or not, should be incensed by the abuse of power being exercised by House Democrats. The real danger is that Democrats could succeed in their coup, which will set the very dangerous precedent that a president can be impeached and removed from office purely as a matter of political expediency, which will, in effect, turn the Office of the President into a puppet of Congress.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostThat's not actually evidence that the information was meant for his campaign.
You're not dumb, but when it comes to Trump, TDS kicks in and you swallow Fake News whole, making you functionally a drooling idiot.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostWe don't just think it beggers belief, we know it.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIt is when a White House visit is made dependent upon Zelensky making an investigation into Biden public.
Don't concern yourself with that, Demi, we're not swallowing your idiotic fake news,Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostThat's how official government operates, how the USG operates, how governments worldwide operate. Your country does what I want, and you get a state visit, maybe even a state dinner.
Like a dog back to his vomit, you're back to drinking the kool-aid of Fake News, "he's going down this time, really!!!!'
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Two OMB officials ...
“I know he was going to go to Ukraine, and I think he canceled a trip,” Trump said in the interview. “But, you know, Rudy has other clients other than me. I’m one person.”
I'm not finding any evidence Trump is actually paying Rudy.
POLITICS
OCTOBER 14, 2019 / 11:09 PM / A MONTH AGO
Exclusive: Trump lawyer Giuliani was paid $500,000 to consult on indicted associate's firm
Karen Freifeld, Aram Roston
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, was paid $500,000 for work he did for a company co-founded by the Ukrainian-American businessman arrested last week on campaign finance charges, Giuliani told Reuters on Monday.
POLITICS
NOVEMBER 7, 2019 / 11:29 AM / 19 DAYS AGO
New York lawyer is source of $500,000 paid to Trump attorney Giuliani
Karen Freifeld
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A supporter of U.S. President Donald Trump paid the president’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani $500,000 on behalf of a company co-founded by a Ukrainian-American businessman who helped Giuliani investigate Trump’s political rival Joe Biden, the supporter’s lawyer told Reuters on Thursday.
Behind the Deal That Put Giuliani Together With a Dirt-Hunting Partner
By Kenneth P. Vogel, Ben Protess and Sarah Maslin Nir
Nov. 6, 2019
Rudy Giuliani wanted $500,000 to help a venture started by a man who would go on to help him in Ukraine. A Republican donor from Long Island put up the money.WASHINGTON — It has been one of the enduring mysteries of the impeachment drama: Where did a cash-strapped Ukrainian-born American businessman get $500,000 to pay President Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani?
Gucciardo, the supporter, is represented by Mr. Zelin.
Mr. Zelin said Mr. Gucciardo did not pay Mr. Giuliani personally, but rather made his investment by paying one of Mr. Giuliani’s consulting firms, Giuliani Partners. Mr. Gucciardo was “simply one of numerous other investors in the company and is nothing more than a passive investor,” Mr. Zelin said.
I think it'd be very interesting to see who else was investing in Fraud Guarantee's influence in promoting Ukrainian investigations against the Bidens.
Following the twists, we have Gucciardo, "among numerous other investors," paying Giuliani Partners to invest in Parnas' Fraud Guarantee to pay Giuliani to go after the Bidens in support of the president. Gucciardo's payment is in the form of a loan convertible into stock in a company with no clients, run by an otherwise penniless Ukrainian-born American.
The company being promoted by Mr. Parnas, Fraud Guarantee, was billed as a way for investors to get insurance against the risk of being defrauded. Mr. Gucciardo’s money was a loan that could be converted into a stake in the company, according to people familiar with the deal.
But it is not clear the stake would have any value, since Fraud Guarantee does not appear to have any customers. Mr. Giuliani did not make any commercials for the company or otherwise engage in any public marketing for it. Mr. Parnas, who was arrested last month on federal campaign finance charges, has opened talks with congressional impeachment investigators about his role in the Ukraine pressure campaign.
Gucciardo's payment was a loan. It was handed over to a company that's just a shell, a company that was never going to make money. Generally, that means he expected someone else, that is, someone with money, to pay him back.
The only clear financial benefit of this money flow would be to Ukrainian oligarchs who need to get Ukrainian anti-corruption workers out of the way. That's been done before, as now, with the assistance of Americans using money we might not be able to track completely, but we could track well enough to end in a criminal conviction.
Manafort worked for Trump for free, too.
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