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    What Is Necessary For Christianity?

    What must we really defend?

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    What should really be the emphasis of our worldview? Letís plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    Yesterday I wrote about the topic of evolution and why I donít debate it. It looks like a lot more people responded to that one and it sparked some debate. Some people were concerned about other doctrines that we just had to have in Genesis or else there would be no Christianity.

    Note also that this usually relies not just on Genesis being true, but a specific interpretation of Genesis being true. This is not to say those interpretations are always wrong, but it just looks like it creates another barrier to belief for some people. I have a hard enough time convincing people Jesus rose from the dead. Do I have to convince them of several other things as well?

    Usually when I deal with Christians in doubt, I always jump straight back to the resurrection. Theyíll present me with some concern and Iíll ask ďDid Jesus rise from the dead?Ē ďYes, butÖ.Ē There is no but there. Thatís not to say the objection isnít important, but letís put it in perspective. Weíre not dealing with a dealbreaker.

    One such objection often raised is the question of a historical Adam and if he was historical, was he the only human being around? At this point, I am inclined to think he was historical, but that there were others around. Adam and Eve were just especially chosen for this. There is much that can be debated about this and evolutionary creationists can hold to inerrancy and do their own studies of the text to see how it works together for them. This is not to say that their arguments will be sound, but if youíre going to take down a position like that, just one question will rarely do it.

    A few years ago I was at the debate between Craig Evans and Richard Carrier on the existence of Jesus. Now Jesus mythicism in my mind is a completely bankrupt position. Still, I donít think thereís any one question I could have asked Carrier that would have totally destroyed his position. It was multi-faceted. Personally, if you have a worldview that can be toppled by just one question, you donít have a good worldview, or at least you havenít thought about it.

    But for what is necessary, I consider it simple. Jesus is the Messiah whom God raised from the dead. It is not inerrancy that is essential. It is not the age of the Earth. This is not to say those are not important. I consider myself an inerrantist and have two ebooks on the topic. Itís not a hill Iím going to die on. My Christianity is not built on old creation either, Genesis, but on new creation, the resurrection.

    Again, this is not to say the other questions are unimportant. It is to say they need to be put on the proper level. Some skeptics have said before if there is no Adam and Eve there is no original sin and thus no need for Jesus. I consider this highly simplistic thinking. If I need a doctrine of sin, I can just turn on the evening news and see that it exists, or even better, just look inside myself.

    By the way, for the question of God, I normally do start my apologetic with a case for classical theism and then move to the resurrection, but if the conversation starts at the resurrection I can do that. If it can be shown Christ rose, attempts for anyone other than God as the agent behind that are usually pretty weak from what I see.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
    What Is Necessary For Christianity?
    Naivete. Blessed are those who believe without seeing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Naivete. Blessed are those who believe without seeing!
    That's totally uncalled for, Jim. Per the rules of this forum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Naivete. Blessed are those who believe without seeing!
    And what is necessary to tolerate JimL? A strong gag reflex and pity for cerebral dwarfism.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    And what is necessary to tolerate JimL? A strong gag reflex and pity for cerebral dwarfism.
    I admit that there are times that reading his posts must be akin to the "guilty pleasure" experienced by those attending a carnival a century ago and strolling through the Freak Show.

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    Funny Jim takes one quote of Scripture and makes it his basis for dismissal, much like skeptics do with Hebrews 11:1 without reading the whole passage or defining faith as it is in the Biblical context of trust and assurance.

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