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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    I like a lot of what you quoted here.

    It doesn't seem likely that Bathsheba was bathing to be seen by David. We don't have clear evidence to suggest that .

    There are some points that may not be so strong though.

    First, Uriah shouldn't be in battle if had recently been married (Deu 24:5). They probably had not succeeded in having a child due to other reasons.

    Another issue relates to the attempt to understand much about Bathsheba from the story of the ewe lamb. This parable wasn't focused on showing the innocence of Bathsheba but rather was about leading David to repentance and restoration. The emphasis overall was David's relationship with God while showing the effects that sin can have, despite such forgiveness.

    For the reasons found in an earlier post, Bathsheba seemed to be willing to cover up the affair. She too was disciplined in this death of her son.

    She may have lived decently apart from this affair but she wasn't a passive victim either.
    The story is definitely about David's repentance however it seems from a cultural study that if the king made a request, you didn't refuse it. Coercion is still on the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catholicity View Post
    The story is definitely about David's repentance however it seems from a cultural study that if the king made a request, you didn't refuse it. Coercion is still on the table.
    we just don't have evidence of that in the scripture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    we just don't have evidence of that in the scripture.
    Do we have evidence of anyone other than David being accused of sinning in the matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    Do we have evidence of anyone other than David being accused of sinning in the matter?
    I'm not sure what you are asking. If you are talking about things that other people did, this doesn't pinpoint what happened in the situation of David and Bathsheba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    I'm not sure what you are asking. If you are talking about things that other people did, this doesn't pinpoint what happened in the situation of David and Bathsheba.
    The context is this:

    Originally Posted by Catholicity
    The story is definitely about David's repentance however it seems from a cultural study that if the king made a request, you didn't refuse it. Coercion is still on the table.


    and

    Originally Posted by mikewhitney
    we just don't have evidence of that in the scripture.


    Bathsheba was never accused of being a willing accomplice. David is the only one whose sin is confronted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    The context is this:

    Originally Posted by Catholicity
    The story is definitely about David's repentance however it seems from a cultural study that if the king made a request, you didn't refuse it. Coercion is still on the table.


    and

    Originally Posted by mikewhitney
    we just don't have evidence of that in the scripture.


    Bathsheba was never accused of being a willing accomplice. David is the only one whose sin is confronted.
    David was the focus of the story; you're making an argument from silence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    we just don't have evidence of that in the scripture.
    One doesn't need scriptural evidence to establish something so obvious, though.
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    We don't know what exactly happened or what Bathsheba was thinking. Does it matter? At best, David was being a creep for committing adultery with one of his subjects and having her loyal husband killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    We don't know what exactly happened or what Bathsheba was thinking. Does it matter? At best, David was being a creep for committing adultery with one of his subjects and having her loyal husband killed.
    We can certainly separate the actions of the two people. Bathsheba shouldn't have been bathing where she could be seen. And David was obviously wrong nonetheless.

    To use an analogy, in modern society, rape is not acceptable even if the woman is walking down the street naked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    We can certainly separate the actions of the two people. Bathsheba shouldn't have been bathing where she could be seen. And David was obviously wrong nonetheless.

    To use an analogy, in modern society, rape is not acceptable even if the woman is walking down the street naked.
    Are you definitively calling it rape here?
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