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March 15th 2003, 09:29 PM #1
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Dear Calvinists... Please define the word "Depravity"
I have yet to see an absolute definition of this term.
Also, what is the source of your definition?
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March 16th 2003, 01:48 AM #2
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Re: Dear Calvinists... Please define the word "Depravity"
God's Word tells us:Today @ 01:29 AM
Sozo:
I have yet to see an absolute definition of this term.
Also, what is the source of your definition?
As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one.
In a nutshell that is totally depravity.Those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went. Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Christ there. When the crowds heard Philip and saw the miraculous signs he did, they all paid close attention to what he said. With shrieks, evil spirits came out of many, and many paralytics and cripples were healed. So there was great joy in that city.
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March 16th 2003, 03:57 AM #3
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Male - ChristianNo, in a nutshell, it tells us what the law says to those under it, otherwise it would contradict Scripture.In a nutshell that is totally depravity.Always reforming. How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God? (John 5:44)
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March 16th 2003, 09:42 AM #4
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Re: Re: Dear Calvinists... Please define the word "Depravity"
Yesterday @ 11:48 PM
Freak:
God's Word tells us:
As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one.
In a nutshell that is totally depravity.
Being unrighteous, does not remove your ability to accept what is righteous.
For an entire belief system to be built around this term, doesn't anyone have an absolute definition?
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March 16th 2003, 11:47 AM #5
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Male - ChristianBasically, total depravity is that the Fall of man resulted in sin being p***ed down to every single human being, and that sin has so affected and corrupted every part of man's being that he us unable to choose God.
Eph 2:1,5
1 Cor 2:12
Romans 3:10-12
Jeremiah 17:9 for starters
JoelCourage itself is not a virtue. Courage is the point at which all the other virtues are tested. (C.S. Lewis)
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March 16th 2003, 01:16 PM #6
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Please forgive me, but I am well aware of the Calvinist doctrine of Total Depravity, but I am looking for the source and root of the absolute definition of the term "depravity".Today @ 09:47 AM
joelkaki:
Basically, total depravity is that the Fall of man resulted in sin being p***ed down to every single human being, and that sin has so affected and corrupted every part of man's being that he us unable to choose God.
Eph 2:1,5
1 Cor 2:12
Romans 3:10-12
Jeremiah 17:9 for starters
Joel
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March 16th 2003, 01:54 PM #7
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Re: Re: Re: Dear Calvinists... Please define the word "Depravity"
Scripture tells us no one is righteous--no not even one.Today @ 01:42 PM
Sozo:
Being unrighteous, does not remove your ability to accept what is righteous.
For an entire belief system to be built around this term, doesn't anyone have an absolute definition?Those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went. Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Christ there. When the crowds heard Philip and saw the miraculous signs he did, they all paid close attention to what he said. With shrieks, evil spirits came out of many, and many paralytics and cripples were healed. So there was great joy in that city.
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March 16th 2003, 03:17 PM #8
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Am I that unclear?Today @ 11:54 AM
Freak:
Scripture tells us no one is righteous--no not even one.
Please give me evidence that "no one is righteous" is the definition of depravity
and if that is the definition,
Show me where the bible says that the unrighteous cannot accept a gift from God!
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March 16th 2003, 04:03 PM #9
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Male - Christian'None seek after God." (Romans 3:10-11)
JoelCourage itself is not a virtue. Courage is the point at which all the other virtues are tested. (C.S. Lewis)
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Show me where man is basically good? Unconverted men are totally evil-depraved. What does Romans 3:10 tell you?Today @ 07:17 PM
Sozo:
Am I that unclear?
Please give me evidence that "no one is righteous" is the definition of depravity
and if that is the definition,
Show me where the bible says that the unrighteous cannot accept a gift from God!Those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went. Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Christ there. When the crowds heard Philip and saw the miraculous signs he did, they all paid close attention to what he said. With shrieks, evil spirits came out of many, and many paralytics and cripples were healed. So there was great joy in that city.
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March 16th 2003, 04:41 PM #11
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Today @ 08:03 PM
joelkaki:
'None seek after God." (Romans 3:10-11)
Joel
Exactly--God looks for us.
Sozo, faith is a gift from God. Humans don't go looking for God. God desires us.Those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went. Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Christ there. When the crowds heard Philip and saw the miraculous signs he did, they all paid close attention to what he said. With shrieks, evil spirits came out of many, and many paralytics and cripples were healed. So there was great joy in that city.
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March 16th 2003, 04:59 PM #12
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Male - ChristianFreak,
Yes, that's what Scripture says. Now what was Paul's point just before he said that, and what was his conclusion right after quoting those OT verses? It has nothing to do with total depravity.Scripture tells us no one is righteous--no not even one.
Paul quotes David who is talking about his own sin and that's about "unconvered man"? I don't think so! His point concerning the law is so clear that it's blinding you!Unconverted men are totally evil-depraved. What does Romans 3:10 tell you?
Note that he says "no man," and not "unconverted man." David is lamenting his own sin. David was a man after God's own heart. Think about it.Last edited by Arminian; March 16th 2003 at 05:06 PM.
Always reforming. How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God? (John 5:44)
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March 16th 2003, 05:03 PM #13
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Arminian--Today @ 08:59 PM
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Freak,
Yes, that's what Scripture says. Now what was Paul's point just before he said that, and what was his conclusion right after quoting those OT verses? It has nothing to do with total depravity.
What does verse 9 tell you:
What shall we conclude then? Are we any better ? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin
Then he goes on to tell us in verse 23 "...all have sinned."
We are all sinners. Fairly simple. Do you understand now or do you need me to teach you?Those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went. Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Christ there. When the crowds heard Philip and saw the miraculous signs he did, they all paid close attention to what he said. With shrieks, evil spirits came out of many, and many paralytics and cripples were healed. So there was great joy in that city.
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March 16th 2003, 05:06 PM #14
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Are you that dense?Today @ 08:59 PM
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Freak,
Yes, that's what Scripture says. Now what was Paul's point just before he said that, and what was his conclusion right after quoting those OT verses? It has nothing to do with total depravity.
Paul quotes David who is talking about his own sin and that's about "unconvered man"? I don't think so! His point concerning the law is so clear that it's blinding you!
Paul in the whole chapter was making it clear we are all sinful in the eyes of God. If you can't understand this elementary teaching perhaps you can email me and I can help you learn some of the basics, ok?Those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went. Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Christ there. When the crowds heard Philip and saw the miraculous signs he did, they all paid close attention to what he said. With shrieks, evil spirits came out of many, and many paralytics and cripples were healed. So there was great joy in that city.
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March 16th 2003, 07:00 PM #15
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All my experience as a human being, all my observations of humanity...tells me this statement is blatantly untrue!FREAK: Humans don't go looking for God.
I believe we are hard-wired to seek the divine. All of us. Not only the "chosen." And certainly not just those who profess to have found the answers.
I believe we all struggle with existential angst; that it is singularly human to search for meaning in the universe and in our place in it.
I believe that all other human endeavors are distractions from this goal. I believe that our illusion that we are separate from the Divine is the real "Fall" and that until we awaken to who we really are, the search continues unbroken for all our lives.
I believe that everyone is capable of this, but that understanding comes on many levels.
I believe no one has all the answers. I believe God cannot be taught, only experienced. I believe that once directly experienced, faith plays no part in this knowing.
And I believe that to deny we are all on a path to reunion with the Divine is to deny that very Divinity.
Just my humble opinion.
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