Have Fun Storming the Castle!!

[Teallaura]

Last week, Mueller was a liberal.

This week, Pence is orchestrating a coup.

Every time I blink ...

Schiff - although he might just be a vampire...

[Teallaura]

I hadn't heard that, Jim, but that would be a case where, lacking other remedies, impeachment would be a slam dunk, and anybody who didn't vote to convict/remove in the Senate would be a fool.

There's a process for that. That would clearly be a "high crime".



ETA: Apparently, this is the statement Jim alluded to without citation.

I think his lawyers take it too far - I see no grounds to impede investigation - this would delay, not prevent, such prosecution. There's no statute of limitations on murder.

So he could be prosecuted immediately after removal.

It's a pretty dumb example, actually.

[Cow Poke]

What we're seeing right now is Republicans in the House -- and more than a few in the Senate -- reject the possibility of even an investigation into impeachable or criminal behavior. Indeed, the DOJ under Trump is in court right now arguing that Congress cannot investigate criminal matters outside of an impeachment inquiry.

So we've got a situation where:

-- The President (or his company) cannot be investigated for potential criminal behavior outside of an impeachment hearing (according to the President's attorneys)

-- Congress cannot investigate potentially criminal behavior by the President outside of an impeachment inquiry (according to DOJ)

-- That impeachment inquiry must be "formal", with a House vote (according to DOJ)

-- House Democrats pursuing an impeachment inquiry are engaging in a "circus"

What, exactly, needs to be done here for the President's potentially impeachable or criminal misdeeds to be investigated legitimately?

--Sam

Both sides are playing to the electorate, Sam, and using this for fundraising.

There's an election coming soon, and it would not surprise me that the manner in which the Democrats have handled this drive more people to abandon them, even if they don't move toward Trump.

On the other hand, it may well be that the manner in which the Republicans are handling this may hurt Trump's reelection prospects.

It is what it is, and neither you or I can do anything about it.

[Cow Poke]

I think his lawyers take it too far - I see no grounds to impede investigation - this would delay, not prevent, such prosecution. There's no statute of limitations on murder.

So he could be prosecuted immediately after removal.

It's a pretty dumb example, actually.

Agreed - I'm kinda surprised they went that far, cause it's a really stupid example -- if Trump did, in fact, murder somebody "in cold blood", he would not be able to stay in office very long at all.

[Mountain Man]

They just really, really, really don't want us to find out what she has to say.

Yeah, that's it.

Meanwhile, it's Democrats who are holding illegitimate inquiry under the cover of night.

So tell us again who doesn't want us to know what the witnesses have to say?

[Teallaura]

Hmm, doesn't evil hide somewhere? Can't put my finger on it...

[Sam]

Sunshine is good for everything - except corrupt officials and vampires.

Which is why all criminal investigations and civil depositions are performed in the public squares and amphitheaters?

--Sam

[lilpixieofterror]

Which is why all criminal investigations and civil depositions are performed in the public squares and amphitheaters?

--Sam

[Cow Poke]

Hmm, doesn't evil hide somewhere? Can't put my finger on it...

The Shadow: Who Knows What Evil Lurks in the Hearts of Men?

[Cow Poke]

Which is why all criminal investigations and civil depositions are performed in the public squares and amphitheaters?

--Sam

I have attended hundreds of depositions, often as the one being deposed. I have yet to see a situation where it was entirely one-sided.


Unexpected Guests: Who May Attend A Deposition?

[firstfloor]

[Mountain Man]

Trump won't be impeached. The last thing the Democrats want is for this thing to go into open trial in the Senate where the witnesses can be ripped to shreds by Trump's lawyers.

[Cow Poke]

Git a rope!

[RumTumTugger]

Hmm, doesn't evil hide somewhere? Can't put my finger on it...

In the Darkness

[Sam]

House Republican members of the relevant committees and/or their staff are present at depositions and are given equal time to depose witnesses. All committee members are given full access to review depositions and related materials.

--Sam

I have attended hundreds of depositions, often as the one being deposed. I have yet to see a situation where it was entirely one-sided.


Unexpected Guests: Who May Attend A Deposition?