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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    The loonies are the ones buying into Kanye's merchandising of his (hopefully genuine) conversion.
    I don't believe Kanye is merchandising is conversion, as much as he has converted his merchandising. Kanye was in the fashion and music business long before he was a Christian.

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    From Justin Peters today. Looks like Kanye is on track to visit Osteen.

    Hello friends. I wanted to briefly address the news this morning that Kanye West is scheduled to appear at Lakewood Church this next Sunday, November 17th, pastored by Joel Osteen.

    Last week I posted a video (https://youtu.be/thqKifnCmAE) about my sudden departure from Twitter. If you have not yet seen that, please do watch it so that this will make more sense. In short, I left Twitter because the vitriolic responses to my urging of caution with Kanye West and his new profession of faith in Christ had become a stumbling block to my wife, Kathy. I wanted to honor her request for me to leave that particular social media platform.

    In the video I expressed genuine hope that Kanye has been converted to Christ but also urged caution before we jump on this bandwagon and encourage the “Sunday Services” (henceforth SS) he is leading around the country. I played video from one of these SS in which Kanye endorsed TD Jakes (a Trinity-denying modalist) and told the world that there is nothing wrong with being a Roman Catholic or a Mormon. At a recent SS over 1000 people supposedly “got saved” by being lead in a “sinner’s prayer” and raising their hands. This would have made Charles Finney blush. Now Kanye is going to participate in a church service pastored by one of the most popular, dangerous and obvious false teachers on the planet, Joel Osteen.

    I doubt very much that he is going to do what should be done: rebuke Osteen, tell him he is not qualified to be preaching and needs to get saved. That is not going to happen.

    Kanye’s SS need to stop. He is doing far more harm right now than he is good. Millions of people around the world are watching him to see what this new-found profession of faith in Christ is all about. In just the last few weeks he has told the entire world that Mormons are ok, Roman Catholics are ok, people who deny the Trinity are ok, and has espoused prosperity gospel theology. Kanye is now about to have “fellowship” with Joel Osteen, a man who despite his winsome, “aw-shucks” personality, is leading untold millions of people around the world to Hell and he is doing this smiling as he goes.

    I am grateful that Kanye West has heard the truth. I am grateful that good men like Adam Tyson have given him solid biblical truth. But Kanye is not just listening to good men. He is listening to, surrounding himself with, and endorsing blatant wolves, heretics and false teachers. Kanye does NOT need to be leading services. He needs to be attending services. He is at best a young believer. He is doing untold harm right now. He is undoing what so many of us are trying to do in “teaching sound doctrine and refuting those who contradict” (Titus 1:9). He is not qualified to be leading services.

    It has been disappointing to me to see so many even from our own conservative theological circles laud what Kanye is doing in these SS. What is happening is not good on any level. Tremendous harm is being done. This is why the Bible says that leadership in churches should not be done by new converts (1 Timothy 3:6). They are not ready. If Kanye’s conversion is real, he needs to be attending a good, doctrinally sound church every week and quietly learning. That is what is best not only for everyone watching Kanye, but for Kanye himself. What is happening with Kanye is exactly why I urged caution.

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    I'm sorry but I have to rant...

    I NEVER abbreviate anything "double S". The Nazi reference is just too ugly. I hear in Europe, double S is an offense to people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    I'm sorry but I have to rant...

    I NEVER abbreviate anything "double S". The Nazi reference is just too ugly. I hear in Europe, double S is an offense to people.
    Well, at least he clarified what he meant by it.

    And I guess there is nothing we can say that doesn't offend somebody anymore.


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    Here is an addendum just posted, by Justin Peters.

    Due to an appointment, I had to rush my earlier post today on Kanye West visiting Lakewood church pastored by Joel Osteen and so want to add an addendum to it.

    My point is not that Kanye West should have perfect theology as a new Christian (again, I am hoping that that is what he is). Of course young believers have much to learn theologically and indeed all of us should continue to have our theology honed through the diligent study of God’s Word for as long as we live. That is not the point. My point is that he should not be leading in worship services, he should be attending worship services. He should not be behind the pulpit, as it were, he should be in front of the pulpit of a doctrinally sound church and learning. Kanye West lacks the spiritual maturity and, therefore, the biblical requirements to be leading worship; as evidenced by the fact that he is telling the world that Roman Catholics, Mormons, prosperity gospel promoters and Modalists are all ok.

    What I find so telling is that the same people in our theologically conservative circles that have been promoting Kanye West and his Sunday Services would not dream of doing the same if it were some unknown guy from some unknown town who professed to be a new believer and yet was openly endorsing theological heretics, false teachers and cults like Mormonism. They would be encouraging this unknown guy (sincere though he may be) to refrain from public teaching, join a good, doctrinally sound church, submit himself to the care of biblically qualified elders, and learn. That is good advice. That is advice that reflects care and concern both for the individual and the broader witness of the Gospel. So what is the difference? One word: celebrity. Kanye is a celebrity and the other guy is not.

    This, dear friends, should not be.

    I continue to pray for Kanye. I want just as much as anyone for his conversion to be real. I am not making a definitive judgment one way or the other about his conversion. I am, however, making a definitive judgment that these Sunday Services need to stop, both for his own spiritual well-being and for the broader witness of the Gospel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    From Justin Peters today. Looks like Kanye is on track to visit Osteen.

    Hello friends. I wanted to briefly address the news this morning that Kanye West is scheduled to appear at Lakewood Church this next Sunday, November 17th, pastored by Joel Osteen.

    Last week I posted a video (https://youtu.be/thqKifnCmAE) about my sudden departure from Twitter. If you have not yet seen that, please do watch it so that this will make more sense. In short, I left Twitter because the vitriolic responses to my urging of caution with Kanye West and his new profession of faith in Christ had become a stumbling block to my wife, Kathy. I wanted to honor her request for me to leave that particular social media platform.

    In the video I expressed genuine hope that Kanye has been converted to Christ but also urged caution before we jump on this bandwagon and encourage the “Sunday Services” (henceforth SS) he is leading around the country. I played video from one of these SS in which Kanye endorsed TD Jakes (a Trinity-denying modalist) and told the world that there is nothing wrong with being a Roman Catholic or a Mormon. At a recent SS over 1000 people supposedly “got saved” by being lead in a “sinner’s prayer” and raising their hands. This would have made Charles Finney blush. Now Kanye is going to participate in a church service pastored by one of the most popular, dangerous and obvious false teachers on the planet, Joel Osteen.

    I doubt very much that he is going to do what should be done: rebuke Osteen, tell him he is not qualified to be preaching and needs to get saved. That is not going to happen.

    Kanye’s SS need to stop. He is doing far more harm right now than he is good. Millions of people around the world are watching him to see what this new-found profession of faith in Christ is all about. In just the last few weeks he has told the entire world that Mormons are ok, Roman Catholics are ok, people who deny the Trinity are ok, and has espoused prosperity gospel theology. Kanye is now about to have “fellowship” with Joel Osteen, a man who despite his winsome, “aw-shucks” personality, is leading untold millions of people around the world to Hell and he is doing this smiling as he goes.

    I am grateful that Kanye West has heard the truth. I am grateful that good men like Adam Tyson have given him solid biblical truth. But Kanye is not just listening to good men. He is listening to, surrounding himself with, and endorsing blatant wolves, heretics and false teachers. Kanye does NOT need to be leading services. He needs to be attending services. He is at best a young believer. He is doing untold harm right now. He is undoing what so many of us are trying to do in “teaching sound doctrine and refuting those who contradict” (Titus 1:9). He is not qualified to be leading services.

    It has been disappointing to me to see so many even from our own conservative theological circles laud what Kanye is doing in these SS. What is happening is not good on any level. Tremendous harm is being done. This is why the Bible says that leadership in churches should not be done by new converts (1 Timothy 3:6). They are not ready. If Kanye’s conversion is real, he needs to be attending a good, doctrinally sound church every week and quietly learning. That is what is best not only for everyone watching Kanye, but for Kanye himself. What is happening with Kanye is exactly why I urged caution.

    Justin Peters
    1) Kanye should not be leading.

    In just the last few weeks he has told the entire world that Mormons are ok,
    2) That ship already sailed, when luminaries like the Grahams rooted for Romney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phat8594 View Post
    And to top it off, the Billboard top albums is named "JESUS IS KING".. Tell me anyone here would have predicted that, say 2 months ago?


    God is good, and He is in the business of doing the impossible.
    Amen, God is mightily at work. Yet the most amazing thing would be if through his influence, the infamous prostitute Kim Kardashian actually repents.

    Kim Kardashian West has announced she will dress more conservatively in the future out of respect for her husband, Kanye West, who has become a devout Christian.

    “I do think that, you know, he is my husband, so I obviously want to honor him and what he’s feeling. And he’s been going through this life change, and it’s mostly about the kids.”

    As West felt there were to many things in the household that could have a negative, demoralizing effect on their children, the couple agreed to be more careful about what they have around them.


    “We got rid of TVs in the kids’ rooms and removed makeup from North’s room—and he’s been very, had this, you know, epiphany of being this—not that he wasn’t an amazing dad—but being a little bit more strict as a dad and being very forceful on the imagery that’s in our household and what they see,” Kim said.
    https://www.ntd.com/kim-kardashian-a...al_402988.html
    Wow, it might actually happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Here is an addendum just posted, by Justin Peters.

    Due to an appointment, I had to rush my earlier post today on Kanye West visiting Lakewood church pastored by Joel Osteen and so want to add an addendum to it.

    My point is not that Kanye West should have perfect theology as a new Christian (again, I am hoping that that is what he is). Of course young believers have much to learn theologically and indeed all of us should continue to have our theology honed through the diligent study of God’s Word for as long as we live. That is not the point. My point is that he should not be leading in worship services, he should be attending worship services. He should not be behind the pulpit, as it were, he should be in front of the pulpit of a doctrinally sound church and learning. Kanye West lacks the spiritual maturity and, therefore, the biblical requirements to be leading worship; as evidenced by the fact that he is telling the world that Roman Catholics, Mormons, prosperity gospel promoters and Modalists are all ok.

    What I find so telling is that the same people in our theologically conservative circles that have been promoting Kanye West and his Sunday Services would not dream of doing the same if it were some unknown guy from some unknown town who professed to be a new believer and yet was openly endorsing theological heretics, false teachers and cults like Mormonism. They would be encouraging this unknown guy (sincere though he may be) to refrain from public teaching, join a good, doctrinally sound church, submit himself to the care of biblically qualified elders, and learn. That is good advice. That is advice that reflects care and concern both for the individual and the broader witness of the Gospel. So what is the difference? One word: celebrity. Kanye is a celebrity and the other guy is not.

    This, dear friends, should not be.

    I continue to pray for Kanye. I want just as much as anyone for his conversion to be real. I am not making a definitive judgment one way or the other about his conversion. I am, however, making a definitive judgment that these Sunday Services need to stop, both for his own spiritual well-being and for the broader witness of the Gospel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Not Roman Catholics!

    Do you want to get into that?





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    Say WHAT?!?!?!



    Kanye Mulls Legally Changing Name to Christian Genius Billionaire Kanye West


    Artist and designer Kanye West has thrown out a new name idea and, honestly, it’s hard to tell if he’s joking.

    In a surprise appearance at the 2019 Fast Company Innovation Festival, West suggested that he may legally change his name to “Christian Genius Billionaire Kanye West” for a little bit.

    “When people say it’s crass to call yourself a billionaire, I might legally change my name to Christian Genius Billionaire Kanye West for a year until y’all understand exactly what it is,” he told Fast Company senior writer Mark Wilson.

    “That’s going to be so hard to type,” Wilson joked.

    “It will be on the license plate,” West pitched in.

    West’s erratic interview style often results in head-turning lines like this one.

    Last year, he stirred up controversy by suggesting slavery was a choice.
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