Trump-Russia Probe: Criminal Investigation...

[Cow Poke]

yep - that is kind of what boggles. For most of us older generation folks where 1984 was still in our future in junior high/high school, Orwell's book was required reading. Yet you'd think most of the folks here supporting Trump's every move had never read the thing (not that there are not similar parallels to be drawn with the left's speech controls). Maybe the entire country needs to take a day off and re-read Orwell's "1984". Far too many in politics, and far too much of the population - on both sides - seem ignorant of its warnings.

What the country needs is a good honest Holy Ghost Revival - I'm pretty sure you'll not get JimL to agree to that even a tad.

[seer]

On the whole, Trump is much worse than Obama in terms of undermining the critical institutions on which our government and way of life depend. The specific attack you reference WRT Obama may have been, as a single instance, as bad or possibly worse than any single instance attack by Trump, but the number of attacks, and the persistence of them is off the charts with Trump. And instead of raising the IRE of everyone - including his supporters - by stepping a bit out of bounds, Trump enjoys the full support of his base with every attack on the press - because his base for the most part is ignorant of the importance of the free press, and ignorant of the historical use of this sort of tactic to diminish the power of the press to hold government and governmental leaders accountable to the people that elect them.

Jim that is just daft! Even before the inauguration some in the press were calling for his impeachment (Vanity Fair and Washington Post). They are biased and untrustworthy. The main stream press is not "free" it is the media arm of the Democrat party and if you don't realize that you are blind to the facts.

[One Bad Pig]

Apparently, other than Trump himself, none of his supporters have read George Orwells "1984". "the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears."

As always, JimL, your unintended irony is delicious. I've read the book; consequently, I'm more worried about the party which wants to expand government to control ever more aspects of our lives while censoring those who have different views.

[Cow Poke]

As always, JimL, your unintended irony is delicious. I've read the book; consequently, I'm more worried about the party which wants to expand government to control ever more aspects of our lives while censoring those who have different views.

You beat me to it.

[Zymologist]

As always, JimL, your unintended irony is delicious. I've read the book; consequently, I'm more worried about the party which wants to expand government to control ever more aspects of our lives while censoring those who have different views.

It's really weird watching leftists bemoan 1984 tactics.

[firstfloor]

As always, JimL, your unintended irony is delicious. I've read the book; consequently, I'm more worried about the party which wants to expand government to control ever more aspects of our lives while censoring those who have different views.

1984 was not about excessive government, but about the separation of government and the governed. Money in politics will do that.

[Cow Poke]

1984 was not about excessive government, but about the separation of government and the governed. Money in politics will do that.

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

No, it's not - it's about SEX!!!! Winston and Julia going at it ALL THE TIME!!!!!

[One Bad Pig]

1984 was not about excessive government, but about the separation of government and the governed. Money in politics will do that.

That's a fascinating take on the book. Mind sharing the recreational pharmaceutical you used to come up with it?

[mikewhitney]

On the whole, Trump is much worse than Obama in terms of undermining the critical institutions on which our government and way of life depend. The specific attack you reference WRT Obama may have been, as a single instance, as bad or possibly worse than any single instance attack by Trump, but the number of attacks, and the persistence of them is off the charts with Trump. And instead of raising the IRE of everyone - including his supporters - by stepping a bit out of bounds, Trump enjoys the full support of his base with every attack on the press - because his base for the most part is ignorant of the importance of the free press, and ignorant of the historical use of this sort of tactic to diminish the power of the press to hold government and governmental leaders accountable to the people that elect them.

The freedom of the press is not threatened one bit. The MSM is misrepresenting Trump and is promoting rebellion and treason -- no one is stopping them from doing all that. So the press has even abused their freedom while being unhindered.

It is a little sad that the MSM has appealed to your desired view of Trump so that you readily feed on the MSM-manufactured news.

[firstfloor]

That's a fascinating take on the book. Mind sharing the recreational pharmaceutical you used to come up with it?

[rogue06]

1984 was not about excessive government, but about the separation of government and the governed. Money in politics will do that.

You haven't actually read the book yourself have you?

[Cow Poke]

You haven't actually read the book yourself have you?

Not even Cliff's notes.

[firstfloor]

Not even Cliff's notes.

The reason you have corrupt government is because you let folks like the oil industry and the gun lobby govern for you. They are Big Brother.

[Mountain Man]

On the whole, Trump is much worse than Obama in terms of undermining the critical institutions on which our government and way of life depend. The specific attack you reference WRT Obama may have been, as a single instance, as bad or possibly worse than any single instance attack by Trump, but the number of attacks, and the persistence of them is off the charts with Trump. And instead of raising the IRE of everyone - including his supporters - by stepping a bit out of bounds, Trump enjoys the full support of his base with every attack on the press - because his base for the most part is ignorant of the importance of the free press, and ignorant of the historical use of this sort of tactic to diminish the power of the press to hold government and governmental leaders accountable to the people that elect them.

You are astonishingly uninformed.

When it comes to being anti-media, Trump only talks a big game. And, boy, does he talk. Obama, on the other hand, is a man of action. As president, he did much more than complain about Fox News. His administration spent eight long years curbing the press freedoms of journalists of every stripe. Obama was a pro at this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...zing-newsrooms

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...-and-hostility

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion...304-story.html

I'm tired of quoting. Read these for yourself:

https://www.longislandpress.com/2017...histleblowers/

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/o...ank-obama.html

[Cow Poke]

The reason you have corrupt government is because you let folks like the oil industry and the gun lobby govern for you. They are Big Brother.

You have 3 more chances, then you must forfeit.