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    Joe Biden Denied Holy Communion...

    Good? Bad?

    FLORENCE, S.C. — Former Vice President Joe Biden, a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2020 presidential race, was denied Holy Communion on Sunday morning at a Florence church.

    Father Robert E. Morey of Saint Anthony Catholic Church confirmed Monday afternoon that he had denied the presidential candidate Holy Communion because of his stance on abortion. Biden, a lifelong Catholic, had attended the church’s 9 a.m. Mass.

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    That would be consistent with church teaching.
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    Yeah, no biggie. I'm mildly surprised Biden even put himself in the embarrassing position of having to be denied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Yeah, no biggie. I'm mildly surprised Biden even put himself in the embarrassing position of having to be denied.
    The thing is I don't remember Ted Kennedy or other leftist Democrats being denied. It is the Priest's choice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    The thing is I don't remember Ted Kennedy or other leftist Democrats being denied. It is the Priest's choice?
    I've gotten the impression (and keeping in mind I'm a Protestant and my perception of this might be skewed) that the Catholic Church tends to be really lax about this when it comes to Democrat politicians. It's really refreshing to see one of them held to account for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    The thing is I don't remember Ted Kennedy or other leftist Democrats being denied. It is the Priest's choice?
    I thought there were such occasions, but I also think most people who are pro-abortion, and know their church's position on that, don't present themselves for communion.

    Here are some other examples from Wiki

    The first instance of a pro-choice politician being censured via denial of communion was in 1989.[15] During a special election for the California Senate, Pro-choice Catholic Lucy Killea was barred from communion by Leo Thomas Maher, the bishop of San Diego.[9] She received communion in Sacramento with the consent of Bishop Francis Quinn.[16] The incident brought publicity to Killea's candidacy and gained her the voters' sympathy, helping her to win the election.[17][18]

    In 1984, Cardinal John Joseph O'Connor, then archbishop of New York, considered excommunicating New York Governor Mario Cuomo.[19][20] He also condemned Cuomo's statements that support for abortion rights did not contradict Catholic teaching, but did not suggest that Cuomo should stop receiving communion.[21]

    In January 2003, Bishop William Weigand of Sacramento said Governor of California Gray Davis, a Catholic who supported abortion rights, should stop receiving communion.[9]

    In 2004, then-Archbishop Burke said he would not give communion to 2004 presidential candidate and Senator John Kerry, in part because of his position on abortion. According to religion experts, such a denial of communion would have been unprecedented.[14][22] Kerry's own Archbishop Sean O'Malley refused to specify the applicability of his earlier statement that such Catholics are in a state of grave sin and cannot properly receive communion.[14] The issue led to comparisons between Kerry's presidential campaign and that of John F. Kennedy in 1960. While Kennedy had to demonstrate his independence from the Roman Catholic Church due to public fear that a Catholic president would make decisions based on the Holy See agenda, it seemed that Kerry, in contrast, had to show obedience to Catholic authorities in order to win votes.[9][23][24][25] According to Margaret Ross Sammons, Kerry's campaign was sufficiently damaged by the threat to withhold communion that it may have cost him the election. Sammons argues that President George W. Bush was able to win 53% of the Catholic vote because he appealed to "traditional" Catholics.[26]

    In February 2007, as emerged two and a half years later, Bishop Thomas Tobin asked Representative Patrick Kennedy not to take communion because of his position on abortion.[27] Kennedy told the Providence Journal that Tobin also instructed priests in the diocese not to give him communion; Tobin denied this.[27] In 2007, Burke said that he would deny communion to 2008 Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani because of his views on abortion, and that Giuliani should not seek the sacrament.[22] In May 2008, Kansas City Archbishop Joseph Naumann said that Kathleen Sebelius should stop receiving communion because of her support for abortion rights, and that she should not again take it unless she publicly stated that she opposed abortion rights.[28][29][30]

    After Joe Biden was nominated as a vice presidential candidate in the 2008 presidential election, Bishop Joseph Francis Martino of Biden's hometown of Scranton, Pennsylvania, said Biden would be refused communion in that diocese because of his support for abortion.[8] Biden was not refused communion in his then-parish of Wilmington, Delaware.[31]. In October 2019, Biden was reportedly refused communion at a church in Florence, South Carolina.[32]


    It appears that, in some cases, the local priest simply asks the candidate not to present themselves for communion, thereby avoiding a "situation".
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    this is an interesting issue...

    should people be restricted from Christian practices due to their thoughts?

    If you try to restrict people based on their ideas, then people may just be stifled from sharing what they think ... and then no others can teach such people more Christ-centered ideas (after someone has expressed bad doctrine).

    I know I have worded this badly. People could bring up a lot of exceptions due to the way I worded this. Maybe someone will recognize what I am asking so that the concern can be expressed a bit better.

    Part of the idea, in the Christian context, is that people are not supposed to be coerced into 'confessing' doctrines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    this is an interesting issue...

    should people be restricted from Christian practices due to their thoughts?

    If you try to restrict people based on their ideas, then people may just be stifled from sharing what they think ... and then no others can teach such people more Christ-centered ideas.

    I know I have worded this badly. People could bring up a lot of exceptions due to the way I worded this. Maybe someone will recognize what I am asking so that the concern can be expressed a bit better.
    In the case of these politicians, it's not just their thoughts, it's their activism. They have made their thoughts public, and have acted on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    In the case of these politicians, it's not just their thoughts, it's their activism. They have made their thoughts public, and have acted on them.
    partly in agreement. But he never has an abortion, has he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    partly in agreement. But he never has an abortion, has he?
    In Catholic teaching, his advocacy for pro-abortion policy is considered material cooperation with grave sin (Catholics are one of two groups of friends I have here at school so I get their lingo).

    As far as the chalice, it is the duty of the priest to guard the chalice (or bishop if he is serving). The bishop cannot have his eye on every priest at all times, so it is the responsibility of the priest to distribute or not distribute. Many priests are lax. This priest clearly is not.

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