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    Open Skies Treaty

    Another gift to Putin?

    Reports suggest that US President Donald Trump has already signed a document giving the necessary six months' notice for withdrawal, though his administration still seems divided as to whether this treaty should be maintained. Former Defence Secretary James Mattis, while still serving in his post, declared that it was in the United States' "best interests" to remain in the treaty despite the alleged Russian violations.

    Indeed the statistics are striking. The US has flown three times as many flights annually over Russia as the Russians have flown over the US. Between 2002 and 2016 there were 196 US flight plans logged versus 71 by Russia. In addition the US can request copies of the imagery from flights conducted by other signatories. Since 2002 there have been more than 500 such flights over Russia. During recent years, Russia has flown between four and nine missions each year over the US, while the US has flown between 14 and 16 flights over Russia.

    One former diplomat says: 'Sometimes the only way to explain/predict Trump's foreign policy is to think "what would Putin want the US to do?"'
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    Would it really be so difficult, my crisis management / problem resolution friend, to add the cite from which this wealth of information comes?
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    US-Russia surveillance flights treaty under threat https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50220948

    And many other sources have this story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    US-Russia surveillance flights treaty under threat https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50220948

    And many other sources have this story.
    Yeah, not finding anything that seems to justify this.
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    https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_ca...eaty-final.pdf

    This looks like Trump (Putin’s POTUS) opening the door to more Russian aggression in Ukraine, maybe.
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    Help me out, firstfloor, I can't tell if this is your usual trolling or genuine dumbness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Help me out, firstfloor, I can't tell if this is your usual trolling or genuine dumbness.
    This is in the news. Very important for monitoring troop movements and the like, and stuff that satellites cannot do easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    This is in the news. Very important for monitoring troop movements and the like, and stuff that satellites cannot do easily.
    I think you'd be quite surprised what satellites, combined with AI, could do quite easily. And drones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    Very important for monitoring troop movements and the like, and stuff that satellites cannot do easily.
    Ok, so it's dumb ignorance.
    Trump is basically "Bruce Wayne pretending to be a foppish retarded billionaire" tier genius, in case nerds need a simpler metaphor.

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