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    Podcast about Lordship Salvation

    There is a podcast called "Theology Gals" and the hosts had an episode about Lordship Salvation. They say that Lordship Salvation as John MacArthur defines teaches that repentance and submitting to Christ's authority is a part of faith. The opposing point of view is Free Grace theology, which teaches that sanctification does not necessarily follow from justification. Zane Hodges is an example of the extreme version of it and Charles Ryrie is an example of the softer version of it.

    http://theologygals.com/2019/05/lord...y-episode-112/

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    Well, sanctification is not defined as whether you take Jesus as Lord! Now submission is a process, but taking Jesus as Lord is part of the start of salvation, I believe.

    "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." (Ro 10:9 NIV)

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    "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    Well, sanctification is not defined as whether you take Jesus as Lord! Now submission is a process, but taking Jesus as Lord is part of the start of salvation, I believe.

    "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." (Ro 10:9 NIV)

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    Does that mean that "Jesus is God" or "I'm going to obey Jesus"? The Lordship Salvation is not a dispute of whether or not a person needs to admit that Jesus is God at conversion. It is a dispute of whether or not a person has to submit to God's authority or make a promise to obey God at conversion.

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    Submitting to God's authority is works. Making a promise to submit to God's authority is just making a promise to do works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Does that mean that "Jesus is God" or "I'm going to obey Jesus"?
    "Jesus is Lord" is the text, I believe this is a confession of obedience.

    "Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?" (Lk 6:46)

    So calling Jesus Lord implies obedience...

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    "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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    Unbelievable. The very verse you quoted says that it is possible to call him lord and not do what he says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    Unbelievable. The very verse you quoted says that it is possible to call him lord and not do what he says.
    Of course anyone can say anything but actions show what is in the heart. Jesus was saying they said the words but didn't do what he says, thus indicating that he wasn't really their lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    "Jesus is Lord" is the text, I believe this is a confession of obedience.

    "Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?" (Lk 6:46)

    So calling Jesus Lord implies obedience...

    Blessings,
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    This is mixing contexts. In the context of Rom. 10, confessing Him as "Lord" is linked to "calling on the name of the Lord" to be saved, an allusion to Joel 2:32, where LORD translates YHWH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaZimm
    Of course anyone can say anything but actions show what is in the heart. Jesus was saying they said the words but didn't do what he says, thus indicating that he wasn't really their lord.
    If you don't think it's possible to disobey a lord, you have obviously never visited a jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    If you don't think it's possible to disobey a lord, you have obviously never visited a jail.
    Yes, that's true - but if they are knowingly disobeying then the probably aren't calling him their lord.

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