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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    It would not surprise me in the least if you, blinded by and consumed with your opposition to all things Trump, and having already found him guilty, should come to that unfounded conclusion, so feel free to guess away.

    But, humor me, if you will.... aside from tearfully testifying that Rudy and Trump were meanies to her, what do you expect her to add to the actual charge of collusion... I mean obstruction... um... quid pro quo.... wait, now it's bribery! (Who knows what it will be tomorrow)
    Seriously? You would paint this ambassador in those terms? After how she's been maligned and pushed out of her position in spite of doing her job faithfully and professionally for decades?

    Disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Seriously? You would paint this ambassador in those terms?
    I have not painted the ambassador in ANY terms - it seems pretty clear that she was not treated kindly, but it is still the President's prerogative to appoint and/or recall ambassadors, and foreign policy is to be conducted at the direction of the President, not by ambassadors.

    She is now testifying about how difficult it was to serve in some difficult places, and her resume appears to be impressive. She in no way deserves any hostile treatment by Trump or Riudy, but that's not the point of the impeachment trial.

    After how she's been maligned in spite of doing her job faithfully for decades.

    Disgusting.
    If she was treated as badly as is claimed - and I have no reason not to believe she was - that's not an impeachable offense, Jim.

    Perhaps now you can answer my question? -- what do you expect her to add to the actual charge of collusion... I mean obstruction... um... quid pro quo.... wait, now it's bribery!
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    She is currently testifying that the importance of the ambassador is so important that "knee-capping" the ambassador is somehow more damaging than....

    I don't think she gets it that she serves at the pleasure of POTUS, and her role is not more important than his.

    While "ambassador" is certainly a very important role, they do not "set" foreign policy - they are to represent the US of A, the POTUS sets the policy.

    She keeps emphasizing how important the role of ambassador is. SURE, but, again ---- they serve at the pleasure of the president.

    In her opening statement, she pretty well established the limits of what she could testify "first hand" to - and that was pretty limited. She then defended her reputation, denouncing some of the accusations against her, then continued this "the ambassador is crucially important" speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I have not painted the ambassador in ANY terms - it seems pretty clear that she was not treated kindly, but it is still the President's prerogative to appoint and/or recall ambassadors, and foreign policy is to be conducted at the direction of the President, not by ambassadors.

    She is now testifying about how difficult it was to serve in some difficult places, and her resume appears to be impressive. She in no way deserves any hostile treatment by Trump or Riudy, but that's not the point of the impeachment trial.



    If she was treated as badly as is claimed - and I have no reason not to believe she was - that's not an impeachable offense, Jim.

    Perhaps now you can answer my question? -- what do you expect her to add to the actual charge of collusion... I mean obstruction... um... quid pro quo.... wait, now it's bribery!
    Save it. This is the person you've maligned. I am sick and tired of this partison bovine feces manifesting as brutal and disgusting malignment of good people The ONLY acceptable words as relates to Yavanovitch or any other faithful US civil servant or military hero caught up in this mess and shamefully maligned for political purposes are:

    "I'm sorry they did that".



    Source: Yavanovitch


    I come before you as an American citizen, who has devoted
    the majority of my life, 33 years, to service to the country that all
    of us love. Like my colleagues, I entered the Foreign Service
    understanding that my job was to implement the foreign policy
    interests of this nation, as defined by the President and Congress,
    and to do so regardless of which person or party was in power. I
    had no agenda other than to pursue our stated foreign policy goals.
    My service is an expression of gratitude for all that this
    country has given my family and me. My late parents did not
    have the good fortune to come of age in a free society. My father
    fled the Soviets before ultimately finding refuge in the United
    States. My mother’s family escaped the USSR after the
    Bolshevik revolution, and she grew up stateless in Nazi Germany,
    before eventually making her way to the United States. Their
    personal histories—my personal history—gave me both deep
    gratitude towards the United States and great empathy for
    others—like the Ukrainian people—who want to be free.

    © Copyright Original Source



    And here are some examples of her service to this country:

    Source: Yavanovitch

    My first tour was Mogadishu, Somalia, an increasingly
    dangerous place, as that country’s civil war kept grinding on and
    the government was weakening. The military took over policing
    functions in a particularly brutal way and many basic services
    disappeared.
    Several years later, after the Soviet Union collapsed, I helped
    open our Embassy in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. As we were
    establishing relations with a new country, our small Embassy was
    attacked by a gunman, who sprayed the Embassy building with
    gunfire.
    I later served in Moscow. In 1993, during the attempted
    coup in Russia, I was caught in crossfire between presidential and
    parliamentary forces. It took us three tries—me without a helmet
    or body armor—to get into a vehicle to go to the Embassy. We went
    to the Embassy, because the Ambassador asked us to come.
    We went, because it was our duty.

    © Copyright Original Source

    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Save it. This is the person you've maligned. I am sick and tired of this partison bovine feces manifesting as brutal and disgusting malignment of good people The ONLY acceptable words as relates to Yavanovitch or any other faithful US civil servant or military hero caught up in this mess and shamefully maligned for political purposes are:
    I'm shocked! Another emotional rant.

    I'm not maligning her, Jim, and don't appreciate your dishonest representation, however emotional it may be - I'm reporting what I see - and so far, it's "I'm a really good person (which she may well be) and I was unfairly removed (which it appears is accurate)", and she has a point.

    She's a good person and Trump and Rudy were a couple of jackasses in the way they handled this. So far, that does not rise to the level of an impeachable offense, Jim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Heads up!

    Today, during the Schiff Show, you may expect weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.
    Don't laugh. That was exactly what the guests on NBC's Meet the Press suggested was needed. Right after Washington Post associate editor and columnist David Ignatius urged Schiff and his gang to "dramatize" the hearings as much as possible Yamiche Alcindor, PBS's White House correspondent advised witnesses (especially Marie Yovanovitch) to get emotional and cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Don't laugh. That was exactly what the guests on NBC's Meet the Press suggested was needed. Right after Washington Post associate editor and columnist David Ignatius urged Schiff and his gang to "dramatize" the hearings as much as possible Yamiche Alcindor, PBS's White House correspondent advised witnesses (especially Marie Yovanovitch) to get emotional and cry.
    Perhaps Jim should be aiming his emotional tirades at these people.

    How bout it, Ox --- are you going to decry these outlets for their sexist maligning of Yavanovitch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Save it. This is the person you've maligned. I am sick and tired of this partison bovine feces manifesting as brutal and disgusting malignment of good people The ONLY acceptable words as relates to Yavanovitch or any other faithful US civil servant or military hero caught up in this mess and shamefully maligned for political purposes are:

    "I'm sorry they did that".



    Source: Yavanovitch


    I come before you as an American citizen, who has devoted
    the majority of my life, 33 years, to service to the country that all
    of us love. Like my colleagues, I entered the Foreign Service
    understanding that my job was to implement the foreign policy
    interests of this nation, as defined by the President and Congress,
    and to do so regardless of which person or party was in power. I
    had no agenda other than to pursue our stated foreign policy goals.
    My service is an expression of gratitude for all that this
    country has given my family and me. My late parents did not
    have the good fortune to come of age in a free society. My father
    fled the Soviets before ultimately finding refuge in the United
    States. My mother’s family escaped the USSR after the
    Bolshevik revolution, and she grew up stateless in Nazi Germany,
    before eventually making her way to the United States. Their
    personal histories—my personal history—gave me both deep
    gratitude towards the United States and great empathy for
    others—like the Ukrainian people—who want to be free.

    © Copyright Original Source



    And here are some examples of her service to this country:

    Source: Yavanovitch

    My first tour was Mogadishu, Somalia, an increasingly
    dangerous place, as that country’s civil war kept grinding on and
    the government was weakening. The military took over policing
    functions in a particularly brutal way and many basic services
    disappeared.
    Several years later, after the Soviet Union collapsed, I helped
    open our Embassy in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. As we were
    establishing relations with a new country, our small Embassy was
    attacked by a gunman, who sprayed the Embassy building with
    gunfire.
    I later served in Moscow. In 1993, during the attempted
    coup in Russia, I was caught in crossfire between presidential and
    parliamentary forces. It took us three tries—me without a helmet
    or body armor—to get into a vehicle to go to the Embassy. We went
    to the Embassy, because the Ambassador asked us to come.
    We went, because it was our duty.

    © Copyright Original Source

    So what exactly does any of that have to do with impeachment. Was this an effort on her part to say that bureaucrats are the ones who should be in charge because they are special and better than anyone else? If they want to go down that road then whatever any cop says trumps what state department officials thinks since the former has generally risked far more than they have.

    And as for your opening tirade -- imagine for a second someone saying the exact same thing to you except substitute "our president" for "good people" and "Yavanovitch." What would be your reaction? I doubt that sneering would only begin to cover your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    So what exactly does any of that have to do with impeachment. Was this an effort on her part to say that bureaucrats are the ones who should be in charge because they are special and better than anyone else?....
    Her entire opening statement and initial question/answer seemed to be exactly that. And being a "career diplomat" should have more clout than a duly elected POTUS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Might I guess that listening to the testimony itself and trying to discern the likelyhood Trump engaged in illegal behavior is off the table for you?
    The real question is will we ever get anything more than three or four degrees of separation? Something better than the equivalent of I overheard so-and-so tell someone that they were told by someone else that xyz happened.

    As I noted early this morning

    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    The "witnesses" could hardly be called witnesses. In one case there was something like four degrees of separation. George Kent said that he believed that there was quid pro quo because he heard it from William Taylor who heard it from Tim Morrison (who has denied Taylor's claim), who heard it from Sondland. And where did Sondland get it? He presumed that there was a quid pro quo despite Trump having explicitly told him that he wanted nothing in exchange and that there was no quid pro quo.

    That's real solid evidence that the TDS crowd is hanging their hat on.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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