Trump loses yet another case in court.

[Cow Poke]

How about that one where Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Stein are Russian assets?

[Juvenal]

Don't forget the Steel Dossier and the entire impeachment inquiry, since you are listing off a slew of fake news stuff...

It's "Steele," and it wasn't a dossier, just a set of briefing memos. I've actually read them, taking notes in fact, unlike most of the fakers around here. There's no reason to think any of the dossier itself is fake, just raw intelligence from reasonably reliable sources, some of which turned out to be wrong, most significantly the Cohen meeting in Prague. Most of it checked out, which is well above par for raw intelligence, the mark of an intelligence professional.

The overall conclusion, that Russia, and indeed, Putin himself, were directly involved in bolstering Trump's campaign has been multiply confirmed, from the Mueller indictments to the Senate Intelligence Committee Reports, Vol 1. and Vol 2., which I've also read, along with countless hours spent watching the hearings.

With all due respect, Bill, only one of us has done the work to know what we're talking about here.

Similarly for the whistleblower complaint that launched the impeachment inquiry, almost all of which has been corroborated in the opening statements (which I've read) and depositions released to date (not all of which I've had time to read, including the latest by Cooper, released half an hour ago), with far more detail than was available to the whistleblower.

It's likely there will be mistakes in these statements and depositions, but any comparison to birther conspiracies inter alia is grossly unwarranted and reasonably dismissed as partisan kicking against the traces.

[Juvenal]

How about that one where Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Stein are Russian assets?

Hillary did indeed say it, but she doesn't post here ... unless ... Zym ... is there something you're not telling us?

[Cow Poke]

...just raw intelligence from reasonably reliable sources, some of which turned out to be wrong....

You typed that with a straight face, didn't you?

[Juvenal]

You typed that with a straight face, didn't you?

You typed that with a slack jaw, and I don't have to ask. I've seen way more than enough reason to believe your own intelligence background is faked up or grossly exaggerated.

You ain't got what it takes.

[Cow Poke]

You typed that with a slack jaw, and I don't have to ask. I've seen way more than enough reason to believe your own intelligence background is faked up or grossly exaggerated.

You ain't got what it takes.

My sincere apologies - I intended that as a friendly poke.

[Bill the Cat]

It's "Steele," and it wasn't a dossier, just a set of briefing memos. I've actually read them, taking notes in fact, unlike most of the fakers around here. There's no reason to think any of the dossier itself is fake, just raw intelligence from reasonably reliable sources, some of which turned out to be wrong, most significantly the Cohen meeting in Prague. Most of it checked out, which is well above par for raw intelligence, the mark of an intelligence professional.

The overall conclusion, that Russia, and indeed, Putin himself, were directly involved in bolstering Trump's campaign has been multiply confirmed, from the Mueller indictments to the Senate Intelligence Committee Reports, Vol 1. and Vol 2., which I've also read, along with countless hours spent watching the hearings.

With all due respect, Bill, only one of us has done the work to know what we're talking about here.

Similarly for the whistleblower complaint that launched the impeachment inquiry, almost all of which has been corroborated in the opening statements (which I've read) and depositions released to date (not all of which I've had time to read, including the latest by Cooper, released half an hour ago), with far more detail than was available to the whistleblower.

It's likely there will be mistakes in these statements and depositions, but any comparison to birther conspiracies inter alia is grossly unwarranted and reasonably dismissed as partisan kicking against the traces.

Typed that while enjoying my free meal for Veteran's Day. T'was a typo. And I broke my own rule about engaging in Civics because I am now a full government employee, and thus restricted by the Hatch Act and by my oath to protect the classified info I am privy to that you folks simply aren't.

Adieu.

[Juvenal]

Typed that while enjoying my free meal for Veteran's Day. T'was a typo. And I broke my own rule about engaging in Civics because I am now a full government employee, and thus restricted by the Hatch Act and by my oath to protect the classified info I am privy to that you folks simply aren't.

Adieu.

There's a suggestion here that classified information not available to the rest of us could, conceivably, contradict the public findings of the FBI, CIA, and NSA, not to mention the SSCI report posted above.

I don't find the suggestion credible.

At most, in my it's-not-just-my-hair-that's-perfect opinion, further information might reveal that some of Steele's sources were engaging in deliberate misinformation, a real possibility, but not one that would serve to contradict the detailed information on the identities of the Russians involved in the hacking and release via Wikileaks uncovered separately by the IC, associated with charges filed by Mueller.

The largest miss in the Steele memos

Defendant PAUL J. MANAFORT, JR. (MANAFORT) served for years as a political consultant and lobbyist. Between at least 2006 and 2015, MANAFORT, through companies he ran, acted as an unregistered agent of a foreign government and foreign political parties. Specifically, he represented the Government of Ukraine, the President of Ukraine (Victor Yanukovych, who was President from 2010 to 2014), the Party of Regions (a Ukrainian political party led by Yanukovych), and the Opposition Bloc (a successor to the Party of Regions after Yanukovych fled to Russia in 2014).

To date, the only direct confirmation related to the Trump campaign, as far as I'm aware, has been limited to polling data passed to Kilimnik, a Russian business associate with ties to Russian intelligence.

Again, the Steele memos are obviously raw intelligence, a list of meetings with numbered or lettered sources, headed by bullet-pointed highlights, followed up with details and analysis of what was shared. The highlights are obviously open for debate, given the glaring miss on Cohen, but enough of the details have been independently corroborated to defeat arguments that they're either fake or intended to promote conspiracy theories. More details appear likely to reside forever in limbo, as far as the general public can tell, given the extensive redactions in official documents.

From the Lawfare link, also cited above.

I appreciate that you don't feel it's appropriate to respond.

[Mountain Man]

I find it ironic that you consider yourself a consummate and meticulous researcher yet apparently have no idea the real source of Steele's information.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...e-ohr-dossier/

[Juvenal]

My sincere apologies - I intended that as a friendly poke.

[Cow Poke]

Your best plays are the ones you never intended. Like weaponizing an apology.

I thought something you said was humorous, and I....

"weaponized" an apology???

Seriously, looking back, I think you tripped up and responded to me, thinking you were responding to BtC, and this is your failed attempt at saving face.

The line " I've seen way more than enough reason to believe your own intelligence background is faked up or grossly exaggerated " doesn't make sense with regards to me, so....

IMOHBAO, you made an error, and simply can't bring yourself to admit.

[One Bad Pig]

Dang, lookit all the substance here! I don't know why you've decided that Cow Poke should be the especial target of your jackassery lately. What did he do - point out for all to see that your 'perfect hair' is in reality a wig or something?

[rogue06]

You've been taking hits offa little jimmy's bong haven't you? Unfortunately it looks like the stuff burning in it was doused with paraquat and laced with Angel Dust. You're starting to lose it.

[rogue06]

Dang, lookit all the substance here! I don't know why you've decided that Cow Poke should be the especial target of your jackassery lately. What did he do - point out for all to see that your 'perfect hair' is in reality a wig or something?

I think he finally has noticed that his cherished New York Times has sank below the level of the National Enquirer in trustworthiness and in his despair is fitfully lashing out at anything that moves.

[demi-conservative]

You've been taking hits offa little jimmy's bong haven't you? Unfortunately it looks like the stuff burning in it was doused with paraquat and laced with Angel Dust. You're starting to lose it.

He's succumbing to TDS.