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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLamebrain View Post
    It was nearly $300,000 in unreported campaign cotributions. That's a crime, called campaign finance fraud
    It wasn't a campaign contribution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    It wasn't a campaign contribution.
    Hey, MM, if you want to learn something, hurry, you're missing Rachel Maddow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    It was nearly $300,000 in unreported campaign cotributions. That's a crime, called campaign finance fraud
    It was not a campaign contribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    It worked for him when it came to those two sordid cases.
    The fact that we are discussing this, and that the details are public, shows it didn't actually work at all, Jim.
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    It wasn't a campaign contribution.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    It was not a campaign contribution.
    Research first, conclusions second.

    Here are the charges Trumpís ex-lawyer Michael Cohen admitted to in federal court
    PUBLISHED TUE, AUG 21 2018 5:52 PM EDT
    UPDATED TUE, AUG 21 2018 9:54 PM EDT

    Kevin Breuninger

    President Donald Trumpís longtime personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, admitted guilt on eight counts of financial crimes in federal court Tuesday.
    ...

    Tax fraud [5 counts]

    Making false statements to a financial institution [1 count]

    Unlawful corporate contributions [1 count]

    Excessive campaign contribution [1 count]

    It was a campaign contribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    Research first, conclusions second.

    Here are the charges Trumpís ex-lawyer Michael Cohen admitted to in federal court
    PUBLISHED TUE, AUG 21 2018 5:52 PM EDT
    UPDATED TUE, AUG 21 2018 9:54 PM EDT

    Kevin Breuninger

    President Donald Trumpís longtime personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, admitted guilt on eight counts of financial crimes in federal court Tuesday.
    ...

    Tax fraud [5 counts]

    Making false statements to a financial institution [1 count]

    Unlawful corporate contributions [1 count]

    Excessive campaign contribution [1 count]

    It was a campaign contribution.
    As we've pointed out several times, Cohen pleaded guilty to a crime he didn't commit in order to get a lighter sentence on crimes he did commit. The whole point was to give them something to use against Trump, and what did Cohen have to lose? Except the former chairman of the FEC says that the payment violated no laws, and as far as I know, the FEC hasn't even bothered to open a case against the President.
    Last edited by Mountain Man; 11-09-2019 at 12:29 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    As we've pointed out several times, Cohen pleaded guilty to a crime he didn't commit in order to get a lighter sentence on crimes he did commit. The whole point was to give them something to use against Trump, and what did Cohen have to lose? Except the former chairman of the FEC says that the payment violated no laws, and as far as I know, the FEC hasn't even bothered to open a case against the President.
    You can crop everything from the ? on from a url without spoiling the link.

    The WSJ opinion piece was dated 4/10/18, the day after the FBI raid on Cohen's offices, and months before Cohen's confession in August, hence factually deficient, as is the claim that Cohen did not commit the crime to which he confessed. Plea deals are offered for lesser offenses, not spurious offenses.

    A prosecutor accepted a plea of guilty of an illegal campaign contribution, and a judge accepted it. It was a campaign contribution, in law, and in fact, or it was an act of gross prosecutorial and judicial misconduct. The latter would be a baseless conspiracy theory.


    It was a campaign contribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    It was a campaign contribution.
    Not at all. You didn't bother reading the article I posted and chose to dismiss it based simply on the date it was published. Cohen's false confession didn't change anything as far as the law is concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Not at all. You didn't bother reading the article I posted and chose to dismiss it based simply on the date it was published.
    You may assume, at bare minimum, I have never commented on an article I have not read. You may also assume I have followed and read the content of all links included in the article. In this case, before commenting, I'd also googled the author, checked the law school he teaches at, read about his principle organization and reviews of the book he's best known for, along with some of his history of opposition to campaign finance reform, including McCain-Feingold.

    He's on the fringe, but not a conspiracy theorist, and very high quality. His opinions are worth reading, and appear to be carefully fact-checked in keeping with the standard editorial oversight typical of the WSJ.

    That does not mean his opinions encompass facts that would not be in evidence for months after his piece was written.

    Cohen's false confession didn't change anything as far as the law is concerned.
    From all appearances, the charge that Cohen's confession was false is based on partisan convenience alone, is not supported by any facts, and is reckless of its requisite conspiratorial entailments, including those mentioned in my earlier post, which, ironically enough, it does not appear you have read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    From all appearances, the charge that Cohen's confession was false is based on partisan convenience alone...
    No, it's based on the fact that the payments were a simple business transaction and violated no laws. The fact that they are trying to use this case to conduct a fishing expedition into Trump's tax records that have nothing to do with any of this should make you at least a little suspicious. They have Cohen's testimony; they have his confession; they have his files; they probably even have the receipts from the payments. In other words, if a crime was committed, then they should have all the evidence they need to press charges, so why won't they?

    That is, of course, a rhetorical question.
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