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February 24th 2004, 08:58 PM #1
Who's Going to Gibson's The Passion of the Christ?
My question is stated in the title of this thread.
"They talk of free love when they mean something quite different, better defined as free lust. But being sentimentalists they feel bound to simper and coo over the word "love." They insist on talking about Birth Control when they mean less birth and no control. We could smash them to atoms, if we could be as indecent in our language as they are immoral in their conclusions." (G.K. Chesterton, "Obstinate Orthodoxy," The Thing)
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February 24th 2004, 09:23 PM #2
Re: Who's Going to Gibson's The Passion of the Christ?
I am, March 9th with a Baptist friend of mine and her youth group
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February 24th 2004, 09:43 PM #3
Re: Who's Going to Gibson's The Passion of the Christ?
Who isn't going would be a better question 'round here.
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February 24th 2004, 10:14 PM #4
Re: Who's Going to Gibson's The Passion of the Christ?
Originally posted by Hamster

Hehe. This is like the fourth thread to be asking this question in the last three days!If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.
-Shane Claiborne
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February 24th 2004, 10:16 PM #5
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I'm going.. Tomorrow...
Originally posted by Amazing Rando
Ash Wednesday Service --> FOOD --> Passion...
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February 24th 2004, 10:22 PM #6
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No spoilin'!
Originally posted by Xavier
I'll be there on Friday.
If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.
-Shane Claiborne
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February 24th 2004, 10:34 PM #7
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I am going tomorrow if I can get in.
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February 25th 2004, 12:24 AM #8
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I'm going during the first three days.
The Church is an entity which has outlasted many states, nations, and empires and it will outlast those that exist today…In spite of the crimes, blunders, compromises and errors by which its story is stained and stained to this day, the Church is the great reality in comparison with which nations and empires and civilizations are passing phenomena. The Church can never settle down to being a voluntary society concerned merely with private and domestic affairs. It is bound to challenge in the name of the one Lord all the powers, ideologies, myths, assumptions and worldviews which do not acknowledge him as Lord. If that involves conflict, trouble and rejection, then we have the example of Jesus before us and his reminder that a servant is not greater than his master. ~Lesslie Newbigin
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February 25th 2004, 12:55 AM #9
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I'm going in the morning.
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February 25th 2004, 12:59 AM #10
Re: Who's Going to Gibson's The Passion of the Christ?
Originally posted by Hamster
Not me.
I believe the making of the film breaks God's 2nd commandment.
I believe there is no way a film can betray the spiritual significance of Christ's death and resurrection.
I doubt the film will be true to the Scriptural account without human exaggeration or omission.
I believe the film will be entertaining and enjoyed only by sadists and masochists, and genuine, unsuspecting Christians will be shocked by the inordinate amount of sensationalism, blood, and gore.
I do not believe the film will be used by the Holy Spirit of God to save a single soul from Hell.
I expect Protestant Christians, who do expose themselves to this blatant (Roman Catholic) money-making effort will go to great lengths to explain their sin of spiritual infidelity and work very hard to cover up their repulsion of what will be forever placed within their psyche and memory.
I believe it is a sick endeavor, sponsored by the devil, and it will not bear fruit to the glory of Jesus Christ, but will only distract from the true and Scriptural Gospel of our Savior.
There. I said it.
So crucify me, too, if you have such love of brutality in you.Reader
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February 25th 2004, 02:50 AM #11
Re: Who's Going to Gibson's The Passion of the Christ?
Ive going to the 5:00 PM showing tomorrow.
In what way does it break the 2nd comandment?I believe the making of the film breaks God's 2nd commandment.
So? I dont believe even scripture can totally explain the spiritual signifigance of the Cross.I believe there is no way a film can betray the spiritual significance of Christ's death and resurrection.
So if I find the film spiritually edifying then im not a "genuine" Christian? Why is portraying the agony our Lord went through for us sadistic? Christians today have been completely desensitized to everything, including the massive pain and suffering Christ went through. It wasnt pretty, our God was beaten, tortured, humiliated then nailed to a tree completley naked for all to see and mock. The Passion is the model for our Christian life, its the symbol in which we model our own bearing of the Cross. What's wrong with being reminded of that?I believe the film will be entertaining and enjoyed only by sadists and masochists, and genuine, unsuspecting Christians will be shocked by the inordinate amount of sensationalism, blood, and gore.
Of course not, how can it? It doesnt adhere to Reader's own personal orthodoxy.I do not believe the film will be used by the Holy Spirit of God to save a single soul from Hell.
Reader, do you actually have any idea of what your talking about? Gibson invested 30 million of his own money into making the film and until recently no one in their right mind believed the movie would be anything other than a total flop. How can you so flippantly sit in judgement of someone else??I expect Protestant Christians, who do expose themselves to this blatant (Roman Catholic) money-making effort
lol, ok.will go to great lengths to explain their sin of spiritual infidelity and work very hard to cover up their repulsion of what will be forever placed within their psyche and memory.
Where do you come up with this stuff?I believe it is a sick endeavor, sponsored by the devil, and it will not bear fruit to the glory of Jesus Christ, but will only distract from the true and Scriptural Gospel of our Savior.
gee....your such a martyr.So crucify me, too, if you have such love of brutality in you
Travis"...And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."
"...God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God..."
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February 25th 2004, 06:37 AM #12
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I believe the making of the film breaks God's 2nd commandmentShould people begin bowing down before the actor who plays Jesus, you might have a point

there is no way a film can betray the spiritual significance of Christ's death and resurrectionDo you mean portray? Well that is true -- of course, John said there was no way that books could say all that Jesus said and did. Does that mean the Gospel of John is a fruitless endeavor?
I doubt the film will be true to the Scriptural account without human exaggeration or omissionI don't know about exaggerations, but the Gospels contain omissions due to the particular writer's agenda. Does that mean the Gospels are worthless and should not be read? And no, I'm not equating Mel's movie with spirit-inspired Gospels, but your criticisms of the movie could equally be laid onto what the Holy Spirit has already deemed legit, canon.
I believe the film will be entertaining and enjoyed only by sadists and masochistsThen take it up with God, who chose this brutal and bloody practice as the way he would save and enlighten the entire world. If it is wrong for people to watch the movie and be moved by the intense trauma Christ suffered, then how much more wrong is it for someone to produce such intense trauma for the sake of spiritual salvation/growth in the first place?
unsuspecting Christians will be shocked by the inordinate amount of sensationalism, blood, and gore.
I don't know what you mean about sensationalism -- but as for shocked by the blood and gore? I say good. People wear these lily-white crucifixes where Jesus wears an expression of peace and calmness, as he dies slowly in arguably the most brutal and humiliating fashion the ancient world had to offer.
Understanding the monsterous sacirifice Jesus endured on that thing might make people have second thoughts before they put it on decorative cakes or bake cookies shaped like it. The cross is a serious thing, the crucifix is a million times as serious. People ought to have a sense of the terrible pain and humiliation Christ endured on it.
I expect Protestant Christians, who do expose themselves to this blatant (Roman Catholic) money-making effort will go to great lengths to explain their sin of spiritual infidelity and work very hard to cover up their repulsion of what will be forever placed within their psyche and memorySo far the only "Evil Catholic Conspiracy's" plan for the movie has been to place some innocent/innocous Catholic traditions into the film (e.g.the woman who wipes the face of Christ), as far as I know. I'll be sure to let you know if there is a chorus line of dancing Popes in it or something.
I believe it is a sick endeavor, sponsored by the devil, and it will not bear fruit to the glory of Jesus Christ, but will only distract from the true and Scriptural Gospel of our Savior.
There. I said it.
So crucify me, too, if you have such love of brutality in you.Well, I believe you're welcome to your opinion, as absurd as I consider it.
As for love of brutality - that's certainly not evidenced by wanting to see this film. If you have a problem with people viewing a scourging and crucifixion for spiritual purposes, then you had better take it up with Him who chose to use this practice as the vehicle for Salvation for all living people.
I do not believe the film will be used by the Holy Spirit of God to save a single soul from HellI don't think this is plausible at all.
For one thing, the Holy Spirit uses all kinds of things to witness internally to a person.
And for another - the Holy Spirit has been using the real insanely brutal scourging of Christ and monsterous physical atrocity of the crucifixion to save people for 2,000 years.Last edited by Piebald; February 25th 2004 at 06:46 AM.
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February 25th 2004, 01:02 PM #13
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Quite profound Reader. I am in agreement but I still want to go. Just to see the
point of view of Mel Gibson hisself. He's Catholic you know. (duh)Illumina Occulos meos ne Un Quam Obdormiam In morte
Amen
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February 25th 2004, 02:23 PM #14
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Catholicism is not a point of view.
Originally posted by Lilith
"They talk of free love when they mean something quite different, better defined as free lust. But being sentimentalists they feel bound to simper and coo over the word "love." They insist on talking about Birth Control when they mean less birth and no control. We could smash them to atoms, if we could be as indecent in our language as they are immoral in their conclusions." (G.K. Chesterton, "Obstinate Orthodoxy," The Thing)
www.militesveritatis.blogspot.com
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February 25th 2004, 03:31 PM #15
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It's a way of life and the road to truth
Originally posted by D.R.R.
All light-heartedness aside, I am looking forward to seeing Mel's handiwork.
What I find interesting is that a lot of the critics who enjoyed Kill Bill Vol. 1 by Quentin Tarentino as "provocative" and "fresh" are the same ones calling the Passion "sadistic". I think it's more an attempt to discredit the movie than anything else.
While the movie will certainly have Catholic overtones (not that I find anything wrong with that), Mel himself has said that it is for all Christians to meditate and remember the immense suffering Our Lord went through, solely for us. In today's world, we tend to lose sight of that as we are highly desensitized to violence. It even shows up in our Catholic Churches...Jesus is no longer depicted as brutalized on the Cross the way He used to be, but is clean, and even in some ways, triumphant. He certainly was triumphant, but let's face it, the manner of His death was not clean, it was brutal, and at the moment it certainly didn't seem triumphant to His disciples and Apostles. I think that in today's very cushy world, we all need to be reminded of that. We had to kill our own God so that we might be saved."This is the thrilling romance of Orthodoxy. People have fallen into a foolish habit of speaking of orthodoxy as something heavy, humdrum, and safe. There never was anything so perilous or so exciting as orthodoxy. It was sanity: and to be sane is more dramatic than to be mad. It was the equilibrium of a man behind madly rushing horses, seeming to stoop this way and to sway that, yet in every attitude having the grace of statuary and the accuracy of arithmetic. The Church in its early days went fierce and fast with any warhorse; yet it is utterly unhistoric to say that she merely went mad along one idea, like a vulgar fanaticism. She swerved to left and right, so exactly as to avoid enormous obstacles. She left on one hand the huge bulk of Arianism, buttressed by all the worldly powers to make Christianity too worldly. The next instant she was swerving to avoid an orientalism, which would have made it too unworldly…. It is easy to be a madman: it is easy to be a heretic. It is always easy to let the age have its head; the difficult thing is to keep one’s own. It is always easy to be a modernist; as it is easy to be a snob. To have fallen into any of those open traps of error and exaggeration which fashion after fashion and sect after sect set along the historic path of Christendom — that would indeed have been simple. It is always simple to fall; there are an infinity of angles at which one falls, only one at which one stands"
~GK Chesterton~
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