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Sondland admits quid pro quo
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYeah, that's not going to fly in the Senate.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou mean where there will be an actual judge, not a judge/prosecutor/partisan?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostCorrection... Contradiction... What's the difference?
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Originally posted by Charles View PostIf you have still not noticed "the original answer" was based on a simplification. Let me repeat:
You seem to naively follow along the lines described in this part: "seem to be under the impression that unless the president spoke the words Ambassador Sondland, I am bribing the Ukrainian president, that there is no evidence of bribery if he didn’t say Ambassador Sondland, I’m telling you I’m not going to give the aid unless they do this. That there's no evidence of a quid pro quo on military aid.""He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostFirst of all, Schiff is offering an argument from silence. But secondly, Trump wasn't silent and in fact emphatically told Sondland that he did not want quid pro quo, so Schiff's argument doubly fails as a logical fallacy and on the basis of directly contradictory evidence."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostSchiff isn't testifying - grandstanding yes, testifying, no.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou mean where there will be an actual judge, not a judge/prosecutor/partisan?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAll we know based on sworn testimony is that when directly asked if they had any concerns or evidence that the President had engaged in illegal conduct with regards to his negotiations with Ukraine, every witness has clearly said no. You can spin it however you want, but the facts are the facts.
Unless you're going for Biden's "They have facts, but we have truth" routine.
Also worth noting that Volker was not concerned with the call at the time but testified that he had learnt a lot since then and if he had heard the call knowing what he now knew then he would’ve also reported it.
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostIs Vindman no longer a witness? He was clearly concerned. Morrison was concerned enough to consult a lawyer. Jennifer Williams was also concerned. Other witnesses also heard the call and had no concerns but it’s worth noting that Vindman was already aware of the push for investigations.
Also worth noting that Volker was not concerned with the call at the time but testified that he had learnt a lot since then and if he had heard the call knowing what he now knew then he would’ve also reported it."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI'll leave the substance to MM but being concerned that something could be illegal doesn't prove anything about whether or not it actually is illegal.
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostIs Vindman no longer a witness? He was clearly concerned. Morrison was concerned enough to consult a lawyer. Jennifer Williams was also concerned. Other witnesses also heard the call and had no concerns but it’s worth noting that Vindman was already aware of the push for investigations.
Also worth noting that Volker was not concerned with the call at the time but testified that he had learnt a lot since then and if he had heard the call knowing what he now knew then he would’ve also reported it.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostJuly 25 call is evidence and the defence to it is that there is nothing wrong with the call. Multiple people in the position they’re in being concerned about the call has probative value to support the assertion that July 25 call is concerning. Still better than nothing!
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTheir concerns were primarily political rather than legal. When asked point blank whether or not they think Trump committed a crime, every witness has said no, which honestly surprises me a little because I think the correct answer is, "I am not qualified to make that determination," but regardless, they've all said no.
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostJuly 25 call is evidence and the defence to it is that there is nothing wrong with the call. Multiple people in the position they’re in being concerned about the call has probative value to support the assertion that July 25 call is concerning. Still better than nothing!
Even if I'm mistaken, not a lot better than nothing."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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