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Sondland admits quid pro quo
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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAre you to dumb to realize the Democrats changed it on purpose, because a FOCUS GROUP thought it would be easier to prosecute?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's not because it's easier to prosecute but because it apparently resonated better with their focus than the term "quid pro quo". It's purely a narrative construct and not a legal one.
Meanwhile, the TV audience is leaving in droves.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAlleged, facts not in evidence, calls for speculation, the list goes on...
Besides, Schiff has Schifted to bribery.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAlleged, facts not in evidence, calls for speculation, the list goes on...
Besides, Schiff has Schifted to bribery.
And frankly, that just isn't plausible.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSondland, under oath, quoted Trump as saying, "I want nothing. That’s what I want from Ukraine," and "I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing."My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
And frankly, that just isn't plausible.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut that is not proof or evidence - it certainly is not enough to remove a sitting President...My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe only way this didn't come from trump is if Sondland and Giulianni and every other actor enforcing the idea that the aid was tied to the investigations of the Biden's was acting 'on their own'.
And frankly, that just isn't plausible.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAnd yet somehow he managed to convince Sondland he cared almost nothing for Ukraine, just the investigations. So much so Sondland acted in such a way as to convince a fairly large group of people they were connected. Again, the idea this was not purposed, as 'an accident' is not credible.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt still has to be proven, Jim. Maybe that can happen in the House, where Schiff has made himself judge, jury and PR man, but in the Senate there will be an actual judge and actual rules of evidence.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostIt is a bribery statute that applies in this case. I have heard that discussed by lawyers.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAnd yet somehow he managed to convince Sondland he cared almost nothing for Ukraine, just the investigations. So much so Sondland acted in such a way as to convince a fairly large group of people they were connected. Again, the idea this was not purposed, was 'an accident' is not credible. Trump said what he knew he had to say in an attempt to avoid what is before us today, nothing more, nothing less.
Come on, man, you're going to seriously injure yourself stretching like that.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOh, well that settles it! The lawyers you choose to believe have declared it so!
If I find the podcast again I will report back.
Cow Poke for POTUS!“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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This too from OA333. The lawyer.
Thomas: Yeah, yeah, and they’re like – so that seems to make it even worse. I feel like more could be made of the fact that he does not have any right to do that at all! It’s not even a “oh, well the President has this power,” he doesn’t. Unless I’m mistaken, this is not a thing he can do regardless.
Andrew: No, you are 100% correct and we’ve actually talked about that. It is 2 U.S.C. § 683 that allows the President to request suspension of funds that have been allocated by Congress, but he’s gotta prepare a report to Congress. He’s got to undertake certain affirmative steps to comply with the law that are procedural requirements and he didn’t do any of that, so I think that’s really, really perceptive, it’s an important thing that our listeners should be out there looking for, which is as you’re looking at the roster of potential witnesses does the Intelligence Committee, do they hear from somebody from OMB? Do they subpoena witnesses from OMB? I agree with you.[“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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