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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Because Trump just knew that Biden would be the nominee! Right? Right?
    Rudy had been traveling to Ukraine for months before his April 7 Fox News interview where he publicly accused Biden of corruption. Biden didn't even enter the ring of Democrat candidates until Apr 25.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    It appears that the Democrats have focus-group tested "quid pro quo" and found it wanting. Thus they are now dropping it like a hot potato and rolling out the latest terms that apparently polled better.

    Within 24 hours you've had multiple politicians and journalists reading from the same script saying things like what Rep. John Garamendi (D-CA) said on CNN yesterday:

    We keep using the word quid pro quo, but the accurate word here is bribery and extortion.


    This was soon echoed by NBC News/MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirschner who proclaimed:

    Take the term quid pro quo, ball it up and throw it in the trash, and let’s call this what it is, it’s bribery.


    Soon, "bribery" and "extortion" were being parroted by left-wing politicians and members of the MSM. It's kind of spooky how this sort of thing keeps happening again and again, over and over. Suddenly the exact same phrase is being repeated by every liberal talking head within hours of each other.

    For instance, here's just one of oh so many examples from immediately after Trump's acceptance speech at the Republican Convention in 2016:


    You'd think that with an ever shrinking market, that at least one of these guys would try to stand out rather than mindlessly regurgitating today's talking point.
    Mmmhm. Of course, the right wing media has no talking points. Everything each FOX News talking head says originates individually with no commonality of verbiage or evidence of groupthink messaging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    The video of his boasting of how he got the prosecutor removed had been making the rounds and raising quite a few eyebrows for some time before he threw his proverbial hat into the ring.
    Which completely refutes the "to influence the 2020 election" nonsense.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Esther View Post
    I don't know why Trump or anyone would in any way see Biden as any kind of a threat? Surely Biden is seen by most as being tired and lack-luster and weak and old and boring in general? (Not his fault of course, he is old and tired but certainly not worthy of being seen as any kind of real opponent)? I do have a soft spot for Biden for having raised his sons and having to suffer the sickness and death of his one son but this is besides the point.
    Moreover, anyone that has seen his attempts to run for president before knows that he just cannot run a national campaign. He is blessed for being from the second smallest state in the country with a population a fraction of what just one large metropolitan city has or he never would have even made it to the Senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whag View Post
    Mmmhm. Of course, the right wing media has no talking points. Everything each FOX News talking head says originates individually with no commonality of verbiage or evidence of groupthink messaging.
    Got examples?


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    Quote Originally Posted by whag View Post
    Mmmhm. Of course, the right wing media has no talking points. Everything each FOX News talking head says originates individually with no commonality of verbiage or evidence of groupthink messaging.
    The right wing media is so small in comparison to the liberal MSM that it wouldn't be a shock if they happened to start using the same phrase. All you need is two, maybe three doing it and that's essentially "everyone."

    Given its size it is a surprise when so many in the MSM start echoing each other -- employing the exact same language (not to mention how quickly they do so). We should see a much wider way of expressing a thought. And this is especially true given that many reporters pride themselves on their writing prowess and that many are in direct competition with each other[1].

    But we see none of that. Instead, time and time again, it looks like a single person is writing all the articles and scripts for the news readers (anchors).

    No originality, just dutifully reading from the same script almost like they're chanting.






    1. Not so much with conservative media which only has one cable news station, not 5 or 6. And a small number of newspapers, the markets for which aren't all that close. The only real competition in conservative media is in syndicated talk radio, and there Limbaugh has reigned supreme for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    The right wing media is so small in comparison to the liberal MSM that it wouldn't be a shock if they happened to start using the same phrase. All you need is two, maybe three doing it and that's essentially "everyone."

    Given its size it is a surprise when so many in the MSM start echoing each other -- employing the exact same language (not to mention how quickly they do so). We should see a much wider way of expressing a thought. And this is especially true given that many reporters pride themselves on their writing prowess and that many are in direct competition with each other[1].

    But we see none of that. Instead, time and time again, it looks like a single person is writing all the articles and scripts for the news readers (anchors).

    No originality, just dutifully reading from the same script almost like they're chanting.






    1. Not so much with conservative media which only has one cable news station, not 5 or 6. And a small number of newspapers, the markets for which aren't all that close. The only real competition in conservative media is in syndicated talk radio, and there Limbaugh has reigned supreme for decades.
    The best is when one outlet reports something, then other outlets pick it, and then some other outlet will say, "It has been widely reported that..." to suggest independent confirmation when it's all based on a single (often uncorroborated) source!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Soon, "bribery" and "extortion" were being parroted by left-wing politicians and members of the MSM....
    Ah, for the good ol' days when it was all about collusion!
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    Taylor’s October 22 depostion behind closed doors suggests Trump did not threaten to withhold aid during the infamous July 25 call between him and his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky that ultimately triggered the impeachment inquiry.

    “July 25th is a week after the hold was put on the security assistance. And [on] July 25th, they had a conversation between the two presidents, where it was not discussed,” Taylor declared under questioning from Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-TX).

    Ratcliffe then asked, “To your knowledge, nobody in the Ukrainian Government was aware of the hold?”

    “That is correct,” Taylor replied.

    Ukraine did not find out there was a hold on U.S. aid until over a month after the call, Taylor testified. The U.S. ultimately released the aid on September 11 without Ukraine having to do anything as part the alleged quid pro quo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Rudy had been traveling to Ukraine for months before his April 7 Fox News interview where he publicly accused Biden of corruption. Biden didn't even enter the ring of Democrat candidates until Apr 25.
    So what, he had other corrupt business he was dealing with as well, such as lobbying for the ouster of the head of the largest Natural Gas company in Ukraine who brought Russian imports of NG down from 90 something percent to 0 percent. Putin didn't like that of course, and Rudy was getting paid substantial sums by his corrupt comrades for this work. Part of that job entailed getting rid of the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine who was getting in their way, and of course Trump obliged their request. He was also there to try and shift the blame for the 2016 U.S election interference away from Russia and onto Ukraine. Putin of course was appreciative of that attempt as well. Like Nancy Pelosi said, with Trump, all roads lead to Russia. What do you think Putin has on him? Or do you think he might just be an outright traitor?

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