Sondland admits quid pro quo

[firstfloor]

Crimes, please.



Two words - Clinton Foundation.

Two more words - that does not excuse Trump, as you well know.

Obstruction is a crime. I understand that Trump met all the criteria in five cases.

[Bill the Cat]

There are several instances of obstruction. I will get a list. While you are waiting:

A New York judge.... I'm SHOCKED!!!!

[rogue06]

They obviously did that to a naive person without a lawyer present. Cohen is a lawyer himself, and was also represented by a team of lawyers.

It really isn't all that uncommon for a prosecutor to tell a defendant that if they cooperate that they'll receive leniency in return and some of the time that has included confessing to crimes that they didn't commit. Sometimes this is done to clear up some old unsolved cases but upon occasion they do it because that confession implicates someone else who is the person that the prosecutor is more interested in. In the latter this is usually seen in cases involving organized crime groups or members of a drug cartel.

Another reason someone might confess to a crime is to save someone else. It is not uncommon, especially when dealing with drug dealers and traffickers to threaten them with prosecuting their spouse as well and telling them that with both parents in jail that their kids will end up in foster care.

If folks realized just how dirty some prosecutors "play" they would be mortified.

[rogue06]

There are several instances of obstruction. I will get a list. While you are waiting:

Is there a reason that you didn't include a link with this quote?

[firstfloor]

A New York judge.... I'm SHOCKED!!!!

You should be. But, love Trump, love his crimes. He will smooth your conscience with a tweet.

[Cow Poke]

Two more words - that does not excuse Trump, as you well know.

Rats, I wanted you to say "whataboutism".

Obstruction is a crime. I understand that Trump met all the criteria in five cases.

Linkies?

[rogue06]

Two more words - that does not excuse Trump, as you well know.

I don't think you understand what the bolded part means

[Cow Poke]

It really isn't all that uncommon for a prosecutor to tell a defendant that if they cooperate that they'll receive leniency in return and some of the time that has included confessing to crimes that they didn't commit. Sometimes this is done to clear up some old unsolved cases but upon occasion they do it because that confession implicates someone else who is the person that the prosecutor is more interested in. In the latter this is usually seen in cases involving organized crime groups or members of a drug cartel.

Another reason someone might confess to a crime is to save someone else. It is not uncommon, especially when dealing with drug dealers and traffickers to threaten them with prosecuting their spouse as well and telling them that with both parents in jail that their kids will end up in foster care.

If folks realized just how dirty some prosecutors "play" they would be mortified.

Just about every crime show on TV will include an example.

[Cow Poke]

I don't think you understand what the bolded part means

He was just practicing the principle of "underpromise - overdeliver".

[firstfloor]

[QUOTE=rogue06;683016]Is there a reason that you didn't include a link with this quote?
Sorry.
[/Judge orders Trump to pay $2m for misusing Trump Foundation funds https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50338231

[firstfloor]

He was just practicing the principle of "underpromise - overdeliver".

The two of us could rule the world, CP.

[Mountain Man]

Mueller catalogued his crimes for posterity. Not enough Americans care to read the evidence. It will make a good movie but it might not have a satisfying ending; the crook walks free.

Not even Mueller was confident enough in the findings of his own investigation to state plainly that the president committed a crime or to recommend indictment.

[firstfloor]

Not even Mueller was confident enough in the findings of his own investigation to state plainly that the president committed a crime or to recommend indictment.

Rightly or wrongly, Mueller chose leave it to Congress. They, so far, have failed to do their duty; for political reasons.

Why is it that Trump and Barr are so keen to undermine Mueller, if there are no crimes?

[Teallaura]

Hasn't Pelosi given the green light for impeachment?

Pelosi is being jerked all over the map. Her moderates are going to be livid if they don't see positive numbers in their districts soon. Her leftists aren't going to give up their favorite bone. And Schiff isn't delivering the goods Pelosi needs. Her best bet is to declare victory, end the mess and retire.

[Teallaura]

As this article points out, Jim, it happens far more than you'd imagine...

Criminally Yours: Lying To Get To The Truth



and...



I was taught in basic police school this "it's ok to lie to get a confession" -- I never felt comfortable with that, but, yeah - it happens FAR more than you'd ever imagine.

Which is why you don't talk to the cops; you talk to your lawyer.

And yes, it's a stupid way to run a railroad...