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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Crimes, please.



    Two words - Clinton Foundation.
    Two more words - that does not excuse Trump, as you well know.

    Obstruction is a crime. I understand that Trump met all the criteria in five cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    There are several instances of obstruction. I will get a list. While you are waiting:
    A New York judge.... I'm SHOCKED!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    They obviously did that to a naive person without a lawyer present. Cohen is a lawyer himself, and was also represented by a team of lawyers.
    It really isn't all that uncommon for a prosecutor to tell a defendant that if they cooperate that they'll receive leniency in return and some of the time that has included confessing to crimes that they didn't commit. Sometimes this is done to clear up some old unsolved cases but upon occasion they do it because that confession implicates someone else who is the person that the prosecutor is more interested in. In the latter this is usually seen in cases involving organized crime groups or members of a drug cartel.

    Another reason someone might confess to a crime is to save someone else. It is not uncommon, especially when dealing with drug dealers and traffickers to threaten them with prosecuting their spouse as well and telling them that with both parents in jail that their kids will end up in foster care.

    If folks realized just how dirty some prosecutors "play" they would be mortified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    There are several instances of obstruction. I will get a list. While you are waiting:
    Is there a reason that you didn't include a link with this quote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    A New York judge.... I'm SHOCKED!!!!
    You should be. But, love Trump, love his crimes. He will smooth your conscience with a tweet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    Two more words - that does not excuse Trump, as you well know.
    Rats, I wanted you to say "whataboutism".

    Obstruction is a crime. I understand that Trump met all the criteria in five cases.
    Linkies?
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    Two more words - that does not excuse Trump, as you well know.
    I don't think you understand what the bolded part means

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    It really isn't all that uncommon for a prosecutor to tell a defendant that if they cooperate that they'll receive leniency in return and some of the time that has included confessing to crimes that they didn't commit. Sometimes this is done to clear up some old unsolved cases but upon occasion they do it because that confession implicates someone else who is the person that the prosecutor is more interested in. In the latter this is usually seen in cases involving organized crime groups or members of a drug cartel.

    Another reason someone might confess to a crime is to save someone else. It is not uncommon, especially when dealing with drug dealers and traffickers to threaten them with prosecuting their spouse as well and telling them that with both parents in jail that their kids will end up in foster care.

    If folks realized just how dirty some prosecutors "play" they would be mortified.
    Just about every crime show on TV will include an example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    I don't think you understand what the bolded part means
    He was just practicing the principle of "underpromise - overdeliver".
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    [QUOTE=rogue06;683016]Is there a reason that you didn't include a link with this quote?
    Sorry.
    [/Judge orders Trump to pay $2m for misusing Trump Foundation funds https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50338231
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