Page 2 of 23 FirstFirst 123412 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 225

Thread: Sondland admits quid pro quo

  1. #11
    tWebber Tassman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Sydney/Phuket
    Faith
    Atheist
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    11,553
    Amen (Given)
    2512
    Amen (Received)
    1829
    Yes that's the one, noting especially where it says "Sondland's new testimony, which was included in the public release of his closed-door deposition transcript on Tuesday, adds to Democrats' evidence that the President connected the freezing of US security aid to Ukraine to investigations into Biden as well as the hacking of the Democratic National Committee's servers during the 2016 election, which cuts to the heart of their impeachment case against Trump". Namely where he acknowledges what everyone knows: "a quid pro quo with Ukraine".
    Last edited by Tassman; 11-05-2019 at 10:52 PM.
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

  2. #12
    tWebber Teallaura's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    In my house.
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Female
    Posts
    15,296
    Amen (Given)
    9569
    Amen (Received)
    5655
    _________ Admits Foreign Policy. Film at Eleven.

    Seriously, qpq for anti-corruption initiative would be perfectly valid FP.

    Where's the beef?

    Last edited by Teallaura; 11-05-2019 at 11:15 PM.

  3. Amen Bill the Cat, One Bad Pig, RumTumTugger amen'd this post.
  4. #13
    tWebber Mountain Man's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    United States
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    17,955
    Amen (Given)
    5844
    Amen (Received)
    6458
    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I'm just laughing and laughing. I called your tack on this. Nailed it. You all are just absolutely linked at the hip to Trump, and he is just the wrong person to sacrifice yourselves for.
    Your inability to look at any of this objectively and rationally and arrive at a reasonable fact-based conclusion is noted. I'm picturing you doubled over with the high-pitchef hysterical laugh of someone who has lost his senses.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

  5. #14
    tWebber
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Maryland
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    6,100
    Amen (Given)
    349
    Amen (Received)
    1663
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Your inability to look at any of this objectively and rationally and arrive at a reasonable fact-based conclusion is noted. I'm picturing you doubled over with the high-pitchef hysterical laugh of someone who has lost his senses.
    As usual, the picture you paint is wrong.

    The facts are that Trump was using US aid, almost 400 million of it, to buy dirt on a political rival.

    And yet you support and excuse it.

    What more needs to be said.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

  6. Amen shunyadragon amen'd this post.
  7. #15
    tWebber Mountain Man's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    United States
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    17,955
    Amen (Given)
    5844
    Amen (Received)
    6458
    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    The facts...
    Presumptions are not facts.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

  8. #16
    tWebber Mountain Man's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    United States
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    17,955
    Amen (Given)
    5844
    Amen (Received)
    6458
    Meanwhile, Volker flatly denies quid pro quo, says "no leverage implied".

    Republicans asked: "Did President Trump ever withhold a meeting with President Zelensky or delay a meeting with President Zelensky until the Ukrainians committed to investigate the allegations that you just described concerning the [2016] presidential election?”

    Volker's response: “The answer to the question is no …. there was no linkage like that."

    Follow-up question: "And in no way, shape, or form in either the readouts from the United States or Ukraine did you receive any indication whatsoever for anything that resembles a quid pro quo?”

    Volker: “Correct."

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...erage-implied/
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

  9. Amen Teallaura amen'd this post.
  10. #17
    See, the Thing is... Cow Poke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    56,509
    Amen (Given)
    12277
    Amen (Received)
    26264
    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Yes that's the one
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

  11. #18
    tWebber Mountain Man's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    United States
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    17,955
    Amen (Given)
    5844
    Amen (Received)
    6458
    Quote Originally Posted by Tassmoron View Post
    Yes that's the one, noting especially where it says "Sondland's new testimony, which was included in the public release of his closed-door deposition transcript on Tuesday, adds to Democrats' evidence that the President connected the freezing of US security aid to Ukraine to investigations into Biden as well as the hacking of the Democratic National Committee's servers during the 2016 election, which cuts to the heart of their impeachment case against Trump". Namely where he acknowledges what everyone knows: "a quid pro quo with Ukraine".
    False. He presumed it and indicated that he was never directed by Trump or anybody else to make an offer resembling quid pro quo, which is consistent with the testimony of Volker and others who flatly reject the suggestion that quid pro quo was ever on the table.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

  12. #19
    tWebber
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Maryland
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    6,100
    Amen (Given)
    349
    Amen (Received)
    1663
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Meanwhile, Volker flatly denies quid pro quo, says "no leverage implied".

    Republicans asked: "Did President Trump ever withhold a meeting with President Zelensky or delay a meeting with President Zelensky until the Ukrainians committed to investigate the allegations that you just described concerning the [2016] presidential election?”

    Volker's response: “The answer to the question is no …. there was no linkage like that."

    Follow-up question: "And in no way, shape, or form in either the readouts from the United States or Ukraine did you receive any indication whatsoever for anything that resembles a quid pro quo?”

    Volker: “Correct."

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...erage-implied/
    Your reading way too much that. These were back channel (under the table) negotiations, it would not be expected everyone would be aware of them to their fullest extent. Volker did testify to his own efforts to push back against statements that might serve to involve ukraine in 2020, esp Wrt giuliani. Taken with taylor,vindman, and now sondland testimony there is nothing contradictory here. Volker just wasnt fully aware or didnt want to be fully aware of what was going on behind closed doors.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

  13. #20
    See, the Thing is... Cow Poke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    The Republic of Texas
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    56,509
    Amen (Given)
    12277
    Amen (Received)
    26264
    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    As usual, the picture you paint is wrong.

    The facts are that Trump was using US aid, almost 400 million of it, to buy dirt on a political rival.

    And yet you support and excuse it.

    What more needs to be said.
    If you were accused of a crime, and somebody's testimony against you was "I presumed he....", would you be a happy camper?

    Oh, and you're not allowed to face your accuser - their lawyer can simply state that's what this anonymous person claimed.
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

  14. Amen RumTumTugger, Teallaura amen'd this post.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •