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  • #16
    Originally posted by seanD View Post
    NBC

    (Emphasis mine)

    That terminology is right from the QAnon conspiracy theorists themselves about Q.
    Yet another conspiracy theory. It is only normal that if a wannabe dictator becomes president that patriotic people within the government will rise in resistance to him. Wouldn't you? Those people are the people that Trump has dubbed the deep state. If they are the deep state, then for the sake of your democracy, you should be thanking your lucky stars for them.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by JimL View Post
      Yet another conspiracy theory. It is only normal that if a wannabe dictator becomes president that patriotic people within the government will rise in resistance to him. Wouldn't you? Those people are the people that Trump has dubbed the deep state. If they are the deep state, then for the sake of your democracy, you should be thanking your lucky stars for them.
      That would be a similar argument QAnon nuts would make. If Trump was really making decisions the establishment system didn't like, it's only natural we'd be seeing unrelenting resistance by that system -- i.e. Russiagate, Ukrainegate, Russian asset, impeachment, etc.

      I lean more towards both political sides have become so entrenched, that they're both losing their minds, which is why we're seeing the conspiracies starting to look similar -- "the resistance."

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      • #18
        Originally posted by seanD View Post
        It's a really weird conspiracy theory. It's pretty much like the deep state conspiracy theory that Trump supporters believe, only the motive is in reverse. Instead of working against Trump who they believe wants to better America and defeat globalism, they're working against Trump who they believe is destroying globalist America.
        Amended. Both sides are essentially correct, there are two sides in this power conflict with different visions of how America should be, and they're trying to destroy the other side's vision.

        I lean more towards both political sides have become so entrenched, that they're both losing their minds
        While both sides are correct about the essential conflict, so far only one is afflicted by derangement.
        Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by seanD View Post
          That would be a similar argument QAnon nuts would make. If Trump was really making decisions the establishment system didn't like, it's only natural we'd be seeing unrelenting resistance by that system -- i.e. Russiagate, Ukrainegate, Russian asset, impeachment, etc.

          I lean more towards both political sides have become so entrenched, that they're both losing their minds, which is why we're seeing the conspiracies starting to look similar -- "the resistance."
          Entrenched is one thing, wrong headed is another, and only one side is wrong headed. Russia, not Ukraine interfered with the election, the Trump administration colluded with Russia, Trump extorted Ukraine and has obstructed justice time and time again. Republicans are either blind to this through ignorance or cognitive dissonance, otherwise they are simply complicit.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
            Amended. Both sides are essentially correct, there are two sides in this power conflict with different visions of how America should be, and they're trying to destroy the other side's vision.



            While both sides are correct about the essential conflict, so far only one is afflicted by derangement.
            If I were forced to buy into either conspiracy, since QAnon pretty much came out when Trump was elected, it looks more like the latest one is a clear attempt to obfuscate and subvert the earlier one by the establishment itself, hence the reason for the clear similarities.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
              Amended. Both sides are essentially correct, there are two sides in this power conflict with different visions of how America should be, and they're trying to destroy the other side's vision.



              While both sides are correct about the essential conflict, so far only one is afflicted by derangement.
              No, both sides are not correct, and you're an idiot. The conservatives don't want a Putin as President any more than do liberals, they, because of their political bias, just haven't seen Trump for who he really is yet. Hopefully they will, or at least enough of them will, wake up before it's too late.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by seanD View Post
                it looks more like the latest one is a clear attempt to obfuscate and subvert the earlier one by the establishment itself, hence the reason for the clear similarities.
                Definitely, but the best lies have some truth in them, and Trump does want to destroy their vision of the USA as globalist. That's about the only truth in it, but it's triggering enough to get them believing in the lies.
                Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JimL View Post
                  Trump is going down, this time, really!!! No, I'm not the idiot for believing that, you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  Fixed.
                  Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                    Fixed.
                    Well, since your fixing didn't make a lick of sense, you are an idiot.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by seanD View Post
                      It's a really weird conspiracy theory. It's pretty much like the deep state conspiracy theory that Trump supporters believe, only the motive is in reverse. Instead of working against Trump who they believe wants to better America and defeat globalism, they're working against Trump who they believe is destroying America. It's like a counter of the first conspiracy.

                      I guess in this atmosphere of conspiracy theories gone wild from both political sides, it's pretty much a free-for-all.
                      Maybe so. But why do the Democrats have to lie so very often to achieve their goal? And why does the media lie with them?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                        Maybe so. But why do the Democrats have to lie so very often to achieve their goal? And why does the media lie with them?
                        Because they don't want Trump reelected, and they'll spare no expense to achieve that goal. And since they know they have no other candidate that can beat Trump because of their lunacy, unattainable social policies (other than possibly Gabbard, of whom they hate because she's not a warmongering neoliberal), they apparently are hoping in a last ditch effort to smear Trump as much as a possibly can before 2020.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                          Maybe so. But why do the Democrats have to lie so very often to achieve their goal? And why does the media lie with them?
                          Because it is all about power.
                          Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                            But why do the Democrats have to lie so very often to achieve their goal? And why does the media lie with them?
                            Because they're actually telling the truth, hence why the media admits its the truth.

                            Stop listening to crazy lying right-wing propaganda and lying Republicans. Seriously.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              If he doesn't have the courage and conviction to make his name public, then I really don't care what he has to say.
                              A revealing position for some-one posting under a pseudonym.
                              Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                              MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                              MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
                              MM on climate change: Looking at the historical temperature data in my region over the past ten years shows that temperatures have been stable ...

                              mikewhitney: What if the speed of light changed when light is passing through water? ... I have 3 semesters of college Physics.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Ignorant Roy View Post
                                A revealing position for some-one posting under a pseudonym.
                                I've been waiting for someone to make that specious argument, and I figured it would be you.

                                There is, of course, a significant difference between someone like you and me posting anonymously on a massage forum, and someone publishing a high profile book in an attempt to undermine a president and asking us to trust his "expert" opinion without ever telling us his name.
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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