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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Big Oil the primary investor in alternative energy? If so whatever we do for energy they win.
    Only recently. Yes they now see the advantages of alternate energies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I think it's interesting that the fact that scientists "got science climate so wrong" is an argument for trusting them now.
    Science does not "get climate so wrong." The knowledge of science concerning climate change changes over the years like all science. The present knowledge of science confirms beyond a reasonable doubt, global warming due to human influence is a reality, and we may be facing an excellerated rate of climate change as not in the other thread.http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...nge-2019/page7 posts #63 and #64.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Science does not "get climate so wrong."....
    Ummmm.... back up just a tad and read the title of the thread, to which I was responding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Ummmm.... back up just a tad and read the title of the thread, to which I was responding.
    The title is itself a play on words. The content is describing an effect of climate change that is worse than expected and lamenting that the politics of climate change have forced scientists to tend to underestimate, tend towards best case scenarios, when in reality, for something like climate change, we really need to be looking at the worst case in terms of funding and mitigation. Acting too slowly is typically going to be more of a problem than acting too quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Ummmm.... back up just a tad and read the title of the thread, to which I was responding.
    Your title is from a very biased non-scientific agenda, and means nothing concerning the present level of scientific knowledge concerning global warming and climate change. Like all science the science of global warming changes over time based on new discoveries and research such as what I cited in the other thread and you choose to ignore.
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    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Your title is from a very biased non-scientific agenda...
    Calm yourself, Shuny, and check to see who the OP on this was. Then have fun blasting Juvie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Calm yourself, Shuny, and check to see who the OP on this was. Then have fun blasting Juvie.
    It does not make any difference who the OP was. Actually my objection stands and the OP supports ti. Scientific knowledges changes over time, and drawing conclusions on limited data or old data can lead to false agendas.
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    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
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    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    It does not make any difference who the OP was.
    You called it my title, Shuny, and it clearly was not -- and the "very biased non-scientific agenda" was Juvie's, not mine.

    I accept your apology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Your title is from a very biased non-scientific agenda...
    Did you even read the OP, Shuny? It was an opinion piece in the NYTimes by a guy named Eugene Linden.

    Are you accusing him of having a very biased non-scientific agenda?

    http://eugenelinden.com/

    This web site contains links to Eugene Linden's essays, articles and books on a wide range of topics ranging from environment to social and economic issues. There are articles on the science and dynamics of climate change and the possible social, economic, and environmental effects of global warming (including some of the first national articles on rapid climate change). Other environmental articles deal with endangered animals, the biodiversity crisis, threats to water supplies, global deforestation, and the politics of environment. The site also contains links to Linden's writings on social issues ranging from the plight of indigenous peoples to dynamics of financial markets. Some writings look forward offering future predictions about how such factors as the wage gap, population pressures, migration, and the rise of religious fanaticism might bring increased instability and drastic change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    In a word, politics.

    Assuming the conclusion didn't help.


    And we're back to the climate v weather debate, aren't we?

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