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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I think it's interesting that the fact that scientists "got science climate so wrong" is an argument for trusting them now.
    Being married to a scientist and having a scientist as a sibling, I've seen how ruthless scientists are in their natural habitat. It's a cutthroat 'me against the world' backstabbing type business where anyone working on a different theory is their competition for funding and glory. I've seen some crazy temper tantrums and arguments that make politics seem civil and even a fist fight between scientists and a laptop was thrown.

    So when they universally come to a consensus about something I have no trouble trusting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    Being married to a scientist and having a scientist as a sibling, I've seen how ruthless scientists are in their natural habitat. It's a cutthroat 'me against the world' backstabbing type business where anyone working on a different theory is their competition for funding and glory. I've seen some crazy temper tantrums and arguments that make politics seem civil and even a fist fight between scientists and a laptop was thrown.

    So when they universally come to a consensus about something I have no trouble trusting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    In a word, politics.

    Assuming the conclusion didn't help.


    And we're back to the climate v weather debate, aren't we?
    From my understanding it involves (please feel free to correct me, my wife explained it to me years ago) the process of energy being gradually built up in a closed system and the conservation of energy. So we have the greenhouse gasses that are building up leading to more energy being retained in the atmosphere leading to more frequent and violent weather events.

    Why do you think the conclusion was assumed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    From my understanding it involves (please feel free to correct me, my wife explained it to me years ago) the process of energy being gradually built up in a closed system and the conservation of energy. So we have the greenhouse gasses that are building up leading to more energy being retained in the atmosphere leading to more frequent and violent weather events.

    Why do you think the conclusion was assumed?
    That's the thing that gets me. We know the greenhouse effect exists on Earth and other planets, because we've measured it there. We know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas both because physics demands it and because we've measured that too. But somehow people seem to think scientists are in some way biased for expecting that adding a known greenhouse gas to the atmosphere would actually cause it to behave as a greenhouse gas.
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    Maybe they should get back to us once they get good working models, instead of this 'oops, we're wrong again, but keep trusting us!!!' we get every few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Maybe they should get back to us once they get good working models, instead of this 'oops, we're wrong again, but keep trusting us!!!' we get every few years.
    They have excellent working models. Your insults of 'oops' only reflects your bias and poor understanding of science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I think it's interesting that the fact that scientists "got science climate so wrong" is an argument for trusting them now.
    It's not. Do you not understand that Juvenal's title is a pun, sarcastic?

    The argument for trusting science is obvious - science is the single most effective process known for understanding the natural world. It has directly demonstrated it's capacity to expose misconception and deliver understanding of the inner workings of nature over and over again going back to before Galileo and his Telescope.

    The only real problem here is that there are people and groups that are threatened by what science reveals, and those people have devoted a great deal of time and effort in attempts to find some way to obfuscate or convince people ignorant of the actual science and theory that the conclusions that science has reached are incorrect.

    It is not that science is perfect, or that scientists are perfect, or that scientific findings, especially early in any study, are always correct or never shown to be limited, of even false. It is that the claims of these people and groups are demonstrably false and misguided. And the only thing that keeps them afloat - in a few words - is public ignorance and fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Do you not understand that Juvenal's title is a pun, sarcastic?
    Actually, it wasn't Juvenal's title - it was the title given by Eugene Linden, the author of the opinion piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Actually, it wasn't Juvenal's title - it was the title given by Eugene Linden, the author of the opinion piece.

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    Doesn't appear to be a pun, either; the author seems to genuinely think its affects have been vastly underestimated by scientists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Doesn't appear to be a pun, either; the author seems to genuinely think its affects have been vastly underestimated by scientists.
    It's kinda like saying "OK, so we were wrong - REALLY wrong, but NOW we have it together --- trust us - we're scientists".
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