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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    There's no way to benefit, personal or otherwise, by doing something to directly influence the actions of another without the other in some way knowing about it. Ukraine didn't know the aid was withheld so it could not have had any bearing on their actions had they complied with the request, which they didn't. The presumption itself is logically incoherent and shouldn't be held at all without substantiation.
    Ukraine did know about the hold on the military aid so stop echoing the right wing propaganda that "they didn't even know." Even if no one told them, they still knew, they knew it was appropriated and they weren't getting it. They can put two and two together. But they didn't need to speculate, they already knew long before the call to Zelensky, they knew in August. And the only reason that they, i.e. Ukraine, didn't comply with the demand was because the whistle was blown, the plot was uncovered, so the scheduled public announcement was cancelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whag View Post
    What about foreign-led investigations into political rivals? Do you think they intended for presidents to use those as leverage?
    You mean like Hillary and Obama and all the other democrats did to Trump for the last four years?
    **cough** Steele Dossier - FISA **cough**

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    You mean like Hillary and Obama and all the other democrats did to Trump for the last four years?
    **cough** Steele Dossier - FISA **cough**
    No epiphany eh! Welcome back anyway, Sparko. Hope you're doing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    No epiphany eh! Welcome back anyway, Sparko. Hope you're doing well.
    Thanks Jim, I appreciate your well wishes. I am back to my old grumpy pirate self again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I am back to my old grumpy pirate self again.
    Sorry to hear the brain transplant didn't take.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Sorry to hear the brain transplant didn't take.
    They were lucky to find a heart!
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    You mean like Hillary and Obama and all the other democrats did to Trump for the last four years?
    **cough** Steele Dossier - FISA **cough**
    Two wrongs make a right. *cough* Conveniently fluid Christian morality. *cough*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    This is nothing but idle speculation. You're assuming motives and thought processes for which there is no evidence. The phone call between Trump and Zelensky was on July 25th. The military aide was released on September 11. That's nearly two-months during which time Ukraine never agreed to start investigations and never publicly announced any investigations, yet we're supposed to believe that Trump had Zelensky shaking in his boots and willing to do anything to appease the Orange Mob Boss. In other words, you're asking us to believe that Zelensky is willing to lie to stay on Trump's good side, but wouldn't announce that they were looking into Quid Pro Joe's dirty deal. How do you reconcile this gaping hole in your narrative?
    no - it's not 'idle speculation' ... but you saying that does appear to make clear you did not read the article itself.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    no - it's not 'idle speculation' ... but you saying that does appear to make clear you did not read the article itself.
    here is one tasty morsel from it:

    Source: nyt

    Ms. Zerkal’s account demonstrates just how hard, bordering on impossible, it is for Mr. Zelensky to avoid taking sides in the impeachment inquiry. If he is misleading people about his knowledge of the aid freeze, then he is damaging the Democrats’ case against Mr. Trump. If he admits knowing, he damages Mr. Trump’s case.

    The Zelensky administration, Ms. Zerkal said, is most concerned about placating Mr. Trump, having decided that the impeachment inquiry will fail in the Senate and that Mr. Trump could be re-elected.

    © Copyright Original Source

    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by whag View Post
    Two wrongs make a right. *cough* Conveniently fluid Christian morality. *cough*
    Or maybe, the Democrats made up false information to try to take down Trump, and Trump was actually trying to investigate a crime that Biden admitted to on camera that they are now trying to accuse Trump of!

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