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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    That would be a shame as IMHBAO Congress has ceded too much power to the Presidency over the last few decades.
    Right, it would be a shame, more like a trajedy, so stop aiding and abetting the wannabe dictator or there will be no stoping him or any other future president from doing whatever they want, Constitution be damned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLamebrain View Post
    Duh, Poroshenko himself recognized that Biden didn't even have such authority, and Biden agreed with that saying it was the Presidents demand, not his own, and then told them to call him, meaning call Obama. Besides, you're not helping the President here, you're admitting that while the military aid was being withheld, Trump was asking for a foreign investigation into his political rival.
    We know for a fact that Burisma contacted the Obama administration to get Shokin off their backs because Hunter was the son of the vice president (source). This was during a time when Shokin was actively closing in on the Burisma higher ups with his sites set on the board of directors and Hunter Biden. At the very least, Joe should have recused himself because of the obvious conflict of interest. That he didn't, and that he was the one personally extorting the Ukrainian government is something that should be looked into, wouldn't you agree? If you have trouble coming up with an answer, just imagine their last names were "Trump" and see what you think.

    As for the rest of your post, Joe doesn't get legal immunity just because he happens to be in the running for his party's nomination. I don't now who came up with that ridiculous idea, but it needs to be kicked to the curb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    We know for a fact that Burisma contacted the Obama administration to get Shokin off their backs because Hunter was the son of the vice president (source). This was during a time when Shokin was actively closing in on the Burisma higher ups with his sites set on the board of directors and Hunter Biden. At the very least, Joe should have recused himself because of the obvious conflict of interest. That he didn't, and that he was the one personally extorting the Ukrainian government is something that should be looked into, wouldn't you agree? If you have trouble coming up with an answer, just imagine their last names were "Trump" and see what you come up with.

    As for the rest of your post, Joe doesn't get legal immunity just because he happens to be in the running for his party's nomination. I don't now who came up with that ridiculous idea, but it needs to be kicked to the curb.
    Not surprised, I knew it, your source is the political hack (John Solomon) masquerading as a journalist. Hey dumbell, did Biden demand that Ukraine stop investigating Burisma, or his son? No, he didn't, he demanded they fire the corrupt Prosecutor General Shokin. Stop being a useful idiot for Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I'm just not totally absolutely absorbed with Trump like you are, Jim.

    As I've said before, I trust the Lord to work this all out.
    No CP. You are actively supporting him in nearly every reply you make. Your replies to those concerned about Trump are uniformly critical and demeaning. Your replies to those defending trump, even the truly indefensible, are uniformly supportive and agreeable. You represent no sort of middle ground here. You do in fact fall in place with the most vocal supporters of pro- Trump propaganda in this civics forum.
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    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    No CP. You are actively supporting him in nearkyvevery reply you make. Your replies to those concerned about Trump are uniformly critical and demeaning. Your replies to those defending trump, even the truly indefensible, are uniformly supportive and agreeable. You represent no sort of middle ground here. You do in fact fall in place with the most vocal supporters of pro- Trump propaganda in this civics forum.
    That's what I keep pointing out to him, and though he keeps doing it, he at the same time continues to deny it. I don't know if he's trying to fool me, or if he has actually fooled himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    That's what I keep pointing out to him, and though he keeps doing it, he at the same time continues to deny it. I don't know if he's trying to fool me, or if he has actually fooled himself.
    I know him to be a good person, so the latter is the most likely, probably the only likely answer.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    No CP. You are actively supporting him in nearly every reply you make. Your replies to those concerned about Trump are uniformly critical and demeaning. Your replies to those defending trump, even the truly indefensible, are uniformly supportive and agreeable. You represent no sort of middle ground here. You do in fact fall in place with the most vocal supporters of pro- Trump propaganda in this civics forum.
    My children have me check under their beds every night to make sure Donald Trump isn’t under there and is going to ‘get them.’
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I know him to be a good person, so the latter is the most likely, probably the only likely answer.
    It can't possibly be you, Jim. It HAS to be every other Christian on this board, while pretty much all the anti-Christian bigots pat you on the back. But, yeah, I know.... it's cause you have integrity and we don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    We know for a fact that Burisma contacted the Obama administration to get Shokin off their backs because Hunter was the son of the vice president (source). This was during a time when Shokin was actively closing in on the Burisma higher ups with his sites set on the board of directors and Hunter Biden. At the very least, Joe should have recused himself because of the obvious conflict of interest. That he didn't, and that he was the one personally extorting the Ukrainian government is something that should be looked into, wouldn't you agree? If you have trouble coming up with an answer, just imagine their last names were "Trump" and see what you think.

    As for the rest of your post, Joe doesn't get legal immunity just because he happens to be in the running for his party's nomination. I don't now who came up with that ridiculous idea, but it needs to be kicked to the curb.
    The email in your source shows communication requesting a meeting to 'discuss U/S Novelli's remarks alleging Burisma of corruption' it goes on to state '...would like to talk with U/S Novelli about getting a better understanding of how the U.S. came to the determination that the company is corrupt'. Does that somehow imply Shokin should be fired because Hunter is the VPs son?

    I don't imagine anyone would be interested in protecting the Bidens if they had acted as you suggest and if something seems suspicious then it should be looked in to. The problem with this scenario, as I see it, is that even if that happened to be Joe's motivation for threatening to withhold the aid, it doesn't invalidate the fact that there were very real and legitimate reasons for doing so.

    Do you believe Shokin deserved to be fired?

    Notable facts:

    Biden made that threat in December 2015.
    IMF threatens to withhold $40 billion in bailout program due to corruption concerns Feb 2016.
    Zlochevsky assets seized in Feb 2016.
    Shokin is fired March 2016.

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