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  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Sondland was grilled during the hearing, and he consistently said that he was acting on his own presumption and not on any direct orders from the President.

    Regarding the aid being withheld, yes, they need something more than the mere act of the aid being withheld to prove their case that a crime was committed, because withholding aid is not a crime in and of itself. Something like a memo, or an email, or a firsthand witness who received an order directly from the President. Until you have that, then the act of aid being withheld is not evidence of a crime.

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    • No, that's not what I said. What I actually said is that since withholding aid is not a crime in and of itself, nor does it suggest a crime, then there's literally nothing to investigate. It'd be like the cops seeing you withdraw $5000 from the bank and then using that as a basis to launch an investigation where your friends and family are forced to testify to see if you're planning to do anything illegal with the money.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          It's not all that hard to follow Sparko ... and it's a pretty good analogy of what went down.
          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            No, that's not what I said. What I actually said is that since withholding aid is not a crime in and of itself, nor does it suggest a crime, then there's literally nothing to investigate.
            Actually - it was illegal for Trump to hold that aid. That is why people at the OMB resigned over the handling of the matter. They were being asked to break the law.

            https://www.justsecurity.org/67489/t...d-was-illegal/
            My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

            If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

            This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              Yeah, I got lost in that "analogy".
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Yeah, I got lost in that "analogy".
                I laughed at the "dog coughing up blood" part. It just made the whole analogy even more surreal.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  No, that's not what I said. What I actually said is that since withholding aid is not a crime in and of itself, nor does it suggest a crime, then there's literally nothing to investigate. It'd be like the cops seeing you withdraw $5000 from the bank and then using that as a basis to launch an investigation where your friends and family are forced to testify to see if you're planning to do anything illegal with the money.
                  Actually withholding the Congressionally appropriated taxpayer military aid, is a crime, in and of itself!

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                  • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                    Actually - it was illegal for Trump to hold that aid. That is why people at the OMB resigned over the handling of the matter. They were being asked to break the law.

                    https://www.justsecurity.org/67489/t...d-was-illegal/
                    Oops, sorry, you beat me to it. And of course the two that resigned over it have not testified as of yet.

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                    • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                      Actually - it was illegal for Trump to hold that aid. That is why people at the OMB resigned over the handling of the matter. They were being asked to break the law.

                      https://www.justsecurity.org/67489/t...d-was-illegal/
                      That's one opinion. There are others.

                      http://dailytorch.com/2019/11/the-pr...or-rescission/
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        I laughed at the "dog coughing up blood" part. It just made the whole analogy even more surreal.
                        It was entertaining.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          That's one opinion. There are others.

                          http://dailytorch.com/2019/11/the-pr...or-rescission/
                          I'll go with the two people that resigned. People don't resign their jobs because on the off chance is wasn't ok. They resign because they are convinced the thing was flat out wrong/illegal and they have a conscience.
                          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                          • Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                            Actually withholding the Congressionally appropriated taxpayer military aid, is a crime, in and of itself!
                            If the president is considering deferal or recension but has not yet made a decision, then he can temporarily put the distribution of funds on hold without informing Congress provided the hold does not extend past the end of the fiscal year, which in this case it didn't.

                            http://dailytorch.com/2019/11/the-pr...or-rescission/
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              I laughed at the "dog coughing up blood" part. It just made the whole analogy even more surreal.
                              I thought about the blood spilt by the soldiers in Ukraine trying to hold back the Russians while our president played games with the money that might have kept them alive.
                              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                                That's one opinion. There are others.

                                http://dailytorch.com/2019/11/the-pr...or-rescission/

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