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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    You might enjoy Turley's review of the impeachment circus where they had the three liberal hacks pushing hard for impeachment, under the guise of being there as constitutional experts.

    Turley: Democrats offering passion over proof in Trump impeachment
    Assuming he's actually literate, this would be a good one for JimL to visit. It addresses the dishonest talking points about Turley contradicting his prior positions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I did read the article. It's just more hearsay. Is this Zerkal gal speaking based on direct knowledge from statements made to her by Zelensky himself, or is she pulling a Sondland and making claims based on presumption?
    MM dictionary: hearsay, anything anyone witnessed that implicates Donald Trump.

    If you in fact read that article and are dismissing the clear implications as regards the inanity of placing any sort of credence on Zekenski's claims of 'no pressure', then you show yourself incapable of objective thought regarding this Presidents actions as they relate to the situation with Ukraine that has led to this impeachment inquiry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    Assuming he's actually literate, this would be a good one for JimL to visit. It addresses the dishonest talking points about Turley contradicting his prior positions.
    He was there to get beat up - the other three were there to push full speed ahead for impeachment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    Abuse of power comes down to whether the aid was withheld in order to make Zelensky announce the investigation and on this I think the case is strong. The fact that aid was withheld and the fact Sonderland communicated that it was conditioned on the announcements to the Ukrainians is enough to make it more likely than not especially considering the absence of a valid defence.
    The two facts against are that Sondland admitted that he was acting on his own presumption, and that when he spoke to the President directly was emphatically told there was to be no quid pro quo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    MM dictionary: hearsay, anything anyone witnessed that implicates Donald Trump.

    If you in fact read that article and are dismissing the clear implications as regards the inanity of placing any sort of credence on Zekenski's claims of 'no pressure', then you show yourself incapable of objective thought regarding this Presidents actions as they relate to the situation with Ukraine that has led to this impeachment inquiry.
    I can only assume based on this tap dance of an answer that you recognize that Zerkal is not speaking based on direct knowledge of statements made by Zelinsky.

    And there's still the hole in you theory that Zelinsky is so afraid of Trump he's willing to lie about not being pressured, but not so afraid that he would agree to investigate Quid Pro Joe's dirty deal.

    I think, then, that when Zelinsky says he wasn't pressured, he is more than likely telling the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    You’re killing me Mountain Man! People actually pay me money to do the thing you just dismissed! The jurisprudence behind presumption of innocence is clear on basing its application on the severity of the remedy at stake. Basically if you’re going to kill someone for a crime then just make sure they really did it.

    That’s why it’s not always applicable in civil cases because there are situations where people need to explain themselves. If the reason behind the use of a special power (authority to do certain acts, not available to general public)is the allegation then it can only be weighed against their defense otherwise it would be impossible to prove to any standard.

    It’s like if you ask someone why they drove a car and they didn’t answer. They fact finder knows why people drive cars and whether the allegations are credible. If you ask a director why certain funds were transferred in a certain way and they didn’t answer then the fact finder can only assume the allegations as true because they don’t know what the other options are.
    The thing is, the President does have some flexibility when it comes to the timing of the dispersement of funds, and he is under no obligation to explain himself so long as the funds are dispersed prior to the fiscal year's end. It's not like a company accountant who refuses to explain the improper withdrawal of money. Everything Trump did with regards to the military aid is perfectly legal. The burden of proof, then, is on those making the accusation that it was somehow improper even if it wasn't illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I can only assume based on this tap dance of an answer that you recognize that Zerkal is not speaking based on direct knowledge of statements made by Zelinsky.

    And there's still the hole in you theory that Zelinsky is so afraid of Trump he's willing to lie about not being pressured, but not so afraid that he would agree to investigate Quid Pro Joe's dirty deal.

    I think, then, that when Zelinsky says he wasn't pressured, he is more than likely telling the truth.
    There was no tap dance. You dismiss evidence out of hand if they are telling what they saw and heard by calling it hearsay. You're the one dancing.

    As for 'the hole in my theory', she is a first hand witness as to the tightrope they are walking and how measures were taken to avoid falling off said tightrope. Specifically regarding what she could and could not discuss regarding what she knew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    There was no tap dance. You dismiss evidence out of hand if they are telling what they saw and heard by calling it hearsay. You're the one dancing.

    As for 'the hole in my theory', she is a first hand witness as to the tightrope they are walking and how measures were taken to avoid falling off said tightrope. Specifically regarding what she could and could not discuss regarding what she knew.
    I didn't dismiss the evidence. I asked if Zerkal was speaking based on direct knowledge, or if she's the Ukrainian version of Gordan Sondland. Apparently you don't know either, but you're quick to pretend that it doesn't matter. On the contrary, I think it does matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I didn't dismiss the evidence. I asked if Zerkal was speaking based on direct knowledge, or if she's the Ukrainian version of Gordan Sondland. Apparently you don't know either, but you're quick to pretend that it doesn't matter. On the contrary, I think it does matter.
    The direct quotes of what she said are what I'm going on mm. She is telling what she witnessed and saw. And that is sufficient to establish they knew at the time of the call the aid was being held and that they were engaged in a very careful tightrope walk trying to get the hold removed and avoiding angering either side in the us politics that held the purse strings.
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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