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  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
    Said like a true Trumpster, Tea. What's idiotic is your being blind to Trumps abuse of power, blind to his obstruction of Congress, blind to his extortion, bribery, quid pro quo, emolluments violations, blind to collusion, and blind to his general undermining of democratic institutions.
    Jim, prove a claim - any claim. Dumping a load of unsupported accusations proves nothing about me - but does say something about your TDS.

    Prove one. Facts, not speculation. Facts, not hearsay. Facts, not whatever drivel CNN is peddling.

    F-A-C-T-S.

    Just ONE out of your list above. Facts.
    "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot

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    • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
      You’re on thin ice, CP. This is a criminal investigation not a TV show.
      This is essential listening for Republicans.
      https://openargs.com/oa337-how-to-ta...t-impeachment/
      No, it isn't.
      "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot

      "Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman

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      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Unfortunately, the Democrats can't simply pump out talking these points for their followers to parrot, they actually have to prove that. So far, it hasn't gone so well for them, and will most likely hit a brick wall in the Senate.
        IF it gets there. It'll be torn to shreds in the Senate - but House Dems will be torn to shreds by their own party if the vote for censure or back down.

        Rock, meet hard place.
        "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot

        "Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Since I'm not whining, and haven't been, you leftist loonies are low life liars.
          Sort of goes without sayin'.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            Nobody whined about public hearings. On the contrary, Republicans jumped at the opportunity to let the public see what s sham the whole thing has been.
            Exactly. In the real world conservatives were demanding that the hearings be public. Only someone like starlight can warp and twist that into what he said.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • Originally posted by JimL View Post
              No, you wouldn't CP, the deluded don't want to relinquish their delusion. That how brainwashing works.
              Sounds like someone speaking from experience. Lots and lots of experience.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                Jim, prove a claim - any claim. Dumping a load of unsupported accusations proves nothing about me - but does say something about your TDS.

                Prove one. Facts, not speculation. Facts, not hearsay. Facts, not whatever drivel CNN is peddling.

                F-A-C-T-S.

                Just ONE out of your list above. Facts.
                You are laboring under the assumption that little jimmy even understands what a fact is. I would not lay money on that.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                  IF it gets there. It'll be torn to shreds in the Senate - but House Dems will be torn to shreds by their own party if the vote for censure or back down.

                  Rock, meet hard place.
                  A bed of their own making.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    No, ff, this is the Schiff Show, wherein Schiff has made himself judge, chief prosecutor, witness corrector, media spokesperson, and court jester. He is a serial liar, and an extreme partisan.
                    Schiff looks pretty solid to me. I hear he is doing an outstanding job so far in the impeachment inquiry.

                    The effort to impeach President Trump still has months to run, but already has produced at least one clear winner: Rep. Adam B. Schiff has emerged from two weeks of public hearings as a rising star among Democrats, one with enhanced power to aid his House colleagues even as he bedevils the president.
                    With no special counsel involved in investigating Trump’s actions toward Ukraine, Schiff, a federal prosecutor before he won his Burbank-based congressional seat, has taken the role of lead inquisitor and public face of the probe. He’s the Kenneth Starr of the Trump impeachment — or to use the comparison he would prefer, the Leon Jaworski, special prosecutor during Watergate.

                    Republicans from Trump on down accuse him of unfairness and bias. Schiff’s fellow Democrats, however, have heaped praise on the way he kept Republicans at bay and maintained control during the impeachment hearings while generating enough news to keep the inquiry — and his name — in headlines for weeks on end.

                    “Most members of Congress from Los Angeles have a very low profile,” said Democratic strategist Rose Kapolczynski, noting the dozens of lawmakers who compete for attention in Southern California. “That all changed in the Trump era for Adam Schiff.”

                    Even before the hearings got underway, Schiff had emerged as one of the Democrats’ leading figures. He’s the top House Democratic fundraiser this year — bringing in $4.4 million through the third quarter, according to federal filings.

                    Schiff’s haul bested even House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco and powerhouse freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York. Those totals don’t include additional money Pelosi raises through the House Democrats’ campaign committee.

                    Schiff hasn’t had a serious election challenge since his first race in 2000, giving him latitude to spread that money widely. So far, he’s given to 44 vulnerable freshmen. Pelosi also tasked him with leading the fundraising for the “frontliners,” the freshman members who face the most electoral risk next year.

                    Schiff has helped those members even more with his management of the probe into whether Trump tried to strong-arm Ukrainian officials into helping him battle his domestic political rivals.
                    “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                    “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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                    • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                      Schiff looks pretty solid to me.
                      Well, of course he does, you and he are batting for the same team.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Well, of course he does, you and he are batting for the same team.
                        You and I are on the same team. The teams are United States of America v Russia. The game is to cripple the USA by use of weaponised disinformation. The Russkies (Putinco) are winning hands down. The right wing are infected by consriracy theories and are busy scoring own goals. The Democrats are trying desperately to save the country, for your children.

                        OA337 is for you.

                        Having said that, I see you tapping your feet while the Devil and his cousin dance to a rock steady beat.
                        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                        “not all there” - you know who you are

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Well, of course he does, you and he are batting for the same team.
                          Right, the good, the ethical, the patriotic team as opposed to the bad, unethical, unpatriotic, team that you're batting for.

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            Since I'm not whining, and haven't been
                            So not only are you a whiner, you're in denial about it. Got it.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • Trump will not give up as easily as Nixon. To remove the curse will take a monumental effort from Democrats to persuade voters that their opinion counts more than anything.

                              What would compel President Trump’s own party to show him the door?

                              The answer, it appears, is nothing. The Republicans are even more dug in on Trump than they were on Nixon. It could happen — but only if congressional leaders are willing to risk a true constitutional crisis. .....

                              If Democratic leaders are serious about convicting Trump of “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” — as opposed to merely making a political statement — they need to embark on a longer, more arduous path. Investigators would have to subpoena all the witnesses and documents from a White House that would resist, claiming executive privilege and presidential immunity. The legal arguments would wend their way to the Supreme Court — slowly, very slowly, as Trump’s lawyers continue to resist and delay. But if the courts wish to, they can speed things up. That’s what happened 45 years ago. The Supreme Court decided United States v. Nixon in July 1974 after less than four months of legal jousting.

                              Such a path might fail. Federal judges, including Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., might want to keep the courts out of the political process and let the voters decide Trump’s fate on Election Day next November. Also, a conservative Supreme Court may be sympathetic to the idea that a president can resist a political fishing expedition from a congressional committee.

                              But a formal impeachment trial in the Senate, explicitly provided for by the Constitution, is different. It is unlikely that the Supreme Court would allow the executive to simply stonewall the other branches of government. The justices might limit the scope and scale of the subpoenas, but Trump would still have to produce significant evidence. Perhaps the facts would clear him. But Trump does not seem like a man with nothing to hide.

                              When the Supreme Court ruled that Nixon had to turn over the famous “smoking gun” tape, proving his role in the Watergate coverup, the president asked his chief of staff, Alexander M. Haig Jr., “Is there any wiggle room?” When the answer was no, Nixon submitted to the rule of law.

                              Would Trump? If he tried to stiff both Congress and the Supreme Court, public opinion polls would probably turn quickly against him. A number of Republican senators, who read their own polls and care about their prerogatives, would be knocked off the fence. In Nixon’s case, Republicans were loyal to the president until the polls turned against him. Then they weren’t.

                              That’s the scenario that could wind up with a group of long-faced senators trooping into the Oval Office to push out its current occupant. By then, even Trump would know the game was up. Or would he?
                              WaPo
                              “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                              “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                              “not all there” - you know who you are

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                              • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                                Trump will not give up as easily as Nixon. To remove the curse will take a monumental effort from Democrats to persuade voters that their opinion counts more than anything.
                                At the end of the day, if Republicans decide to protect their criminals, they have the votes in the senate to do it. It will be up to US voters at the next election to vote out the criminals and those protecting the criminals.
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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