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    Supreme Court Allows Sandy Hook Families' Case Against Remington Arms To Proceed

    The Supreme Court has denied Remington Arms Co.'s bid to block a lawsuit filed by families of victims of the Sandy Hook school massacre. The families say Remington should be held liable, as the maker and promoter of the AR-15-style rifle used in the 2012 killings.

    The court opted not to hear the gun-maker's appeal, in a decision that was announced Tuesday morning. The justices did not include any comment about the case, Remington Arms Co. v. Soto, as they turned it away.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/11/12/77848...ton-to-proceed
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    Soon we're going to need background checks just to buy something at the local hardware store.
    Last edited by Mountain Man; 11-12-2019, 04:05 PM.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


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    • #3
      You don't think Remington should take personal responsibility for their actions?

      They deliberately made weapons that can kill people, knowing that (statistically speaking) they would likely kill some people. Then some people were killed with those weapons.

      Why shouldn't they take personal responsibility for an action they made with the full knowledge that it would lead to people's deaths?
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
        You don't think Remington should take personal responsibility for their actions?

        They deliberately made weapons that can kill people, knowing that (statistically speaking) they would likely kill some people. Then some people were killed with those weapons.

        Why shouldn't they take personal responsibility for an action they made with the full knowledge that it would lead to people's deaths?
        This is pure trolling, and it's not even clever.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          What's troubling to me is the way Remington allegedly issued, in effect, taunts to the public about the capabilities of their weapons.... (bolding mine)

          One of the plaintiffs in the case is David Wheeler, whose 6-year-old son, Ben, was killed in the Sandy Hook shooting. Wheeler told NPR earlier this year that to him, the lawsuit is about responsibility. And he recalled one of Remington's ads for a gun that carried the tagline, "Consider your man card reissued."

          "What kind of society allows manhood to be defined in this way?" Wheeler asked.

          The AR-15 is a close relative of the Colt company's M16 automatic rifle used by the U.S. military. Since Colt's patents for the original AR-15 expired in the 1970s, other manufacturers have been making guns based on similar designs.

          In filings with the U.S. Supreme Court, the Sandy Hook families say Remington "published promotional materials that promised 'military-proven performance' for a 'mission-adaptable' shooter in need of the 'ultimate combat weapons system.' " They also accuse the company of fostering a "lone gunman" narrative as it promoted the Bushmaster, citing an ad that proclaimed, "Forces of opposition, bow down. You are single-handedly outnumbered."


          They seem to be boasting that this is not just a hunting rifle, but a military assault rifle.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            This is pure trolling, and it's not even clever.
            That one post is why I'll no longer take anything else he posts on here seriously.

            The good news is that they'll lose and will it financially devastate to the legal party involved.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seanD View Post
              That one post is why I'll no longer take anything else he posts on here seriously.

              The good news is that they'll lose and will it financially devastate to the legal party involved.
              I'm not so sure they'll lose, Sean --- this is being bounced back to the lower court in Connecticut.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                I'm not so sure they'll lose, Sean --- this is being bounced back to the lower court in Connecticut.
                The precedent is much too great for them not to lose. If they win, then this won't just be happening with guns.
                Last edited by seanD; 11-12-2019, 05:38 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  They seem to be boasting that this is not just a hunting rifle, but a military assault rifle.
                  Why does it matter? It was a legal rifle under the law.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Why does it matter? It was a legal rifle under the law.
                    Because I wouldn't put it past the courts in Connecticut to be persuaded by public opinion and actually issue a ruling to "make a statement".
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by seanD View Post
                      The precedent is much too great for them not to lose. If they win, then this won't just be happening with guns.
                      The argument, of course, will be that there is no other legal industry manufacturing and selling items whose primary purpose is to take human life - and apparently Remington has been playing to that narrative.

                      Hey, I'm a gun-owner. In fact, I own TWO AR-15s, one of which I use frequently for feral hog control. It just would not surprise me if this case went against Remington.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seanD View Post
                        If they win, then this won't just be happening with guns.
                        The most similar topic is lawsuits against Tobacco companies... which have already occurred in numerous countries on exactly this topic.

                        In the US Tobacco companies agreed to pay $206 billion in 1998. And there's now another wave of lawsuits against them.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          The most similar topic is lawsuits against Tobacco companies... which have already occurred in numerous countries on exactly this topic.

                          In the US Tobacco companies agreed to pay $206 billion in 1998. And there's now another wave of lawsuits against them.
                          They made the mistake of settling.

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                          • #14
                            Sean could you explain your signature to me? The source you link to has no context so I can't tell what point Pompeo is trying to make. And I'm not sure what you think his words demonstrate, or what lesson you take from it?

                            That the CIA is awful and should be abolished? That Pompeo is a self-confessed liar and awful person who should never be believed and hence Trump is awful for making him Secretary of State? That America is an awful country for having such an awful organisation that does such evils upon the world? That America is a great country for having such a thing?
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              Sean could you explain your signature to me? The source you link to has no context so I can't tell what point Pompeo is trying to make. And I'm not sure what you think his words demonstrate, or what lesson you take from it?

                              That the CIA is awful and should be abolished? That Pompeo is a self-confessed liar and awful person who should never be believed and hence Trump is awful for making him Secretary of State? That America is an awful country for having such an awful organisation that does such evils upon the world? That America is a great country for having such a thing?
                              Never been a fan of intelligence agencies and those associated with them. Thankfully, this has now become all too apparent to even the most staunch Republicans, albeit painfully for some.

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