Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

[Terraceth]

You mean the likes of:

White Aryan Resistance
Church of the Creator
Christian Knights of the KKK
Aryan Nations
Ranch Rescue
Billy Ray Johnson
Imperial Klans of America

- cited Wiki

Yes, they're a bit of a "joke", right?

This is a nonsense argument. Nobody has argued that no group on their "hate group" list is a hate group. They are saying that the SPLC has, in addition to listing actual hate groups, listed a bunch of groups that shouldn't qualify, thereby making their list suspect and not particularly useful.

[demi-conservative]

So, all this time I thought you wanted a discussion. Silly me.

I wanted to find out how deep the derangement is going, whether it is merely Trump-focused. You made it clear that you're a conservative that trusts the SPLC, and so the mocking begins.

[JimL]

I wanted to find out how deep the derangement is going, whether it is merely Trump-focused. You made it clear that you're a conservative that trusts the SPLC, and so the mocking begins.

It goes deep, too deep. Including yourself, approximately 35 to 40 percent of the population is infected by it.

[JimL]

This is a nonsense argument. Nobody has argued that no group on their "hate group" list is a hate group. They are saying that the SPLC has, in addition to listing actual hate groups, listed a bunch of groups that shouldn't qualify, thereby making their list suspect and not particularly useful.

What does any of that have to do with the material itself that Miller was allegedly distributing/sharing, or whatever?

[JimL]

USA TODAY brought this interesting article today: Emails show White House advisor Stephen Miller promoting white nationalism to Breitbart

Eh, I wouldn't expect a white racist/supremacist to fire a white racist/supremacist anyway. The whole administration is rotton, and Trump is its head. The fish rots from the head down, as they say.

[Teallaura]

Eh, I wouldn't expect a white racist/supremacist to fire a white racist/supremacist anyway. The whole administration is rotton, and Trump is its head. The fish rots from the head down, as they say.

The source is a discredited agency with a long history of its own racism. Seriously, is your standard of evidence 'looks bad for Trump, must be true'?

FYI, a fish's head is the very last part to rot. Grew up on a lake so yeah, I'm sure. Doesn't prove anything since it was just an analogy - just struck me as silly.

[Charles]

I am sorry that you seem to be unable to follow my thought processes.

See below.

"X is white nationalist because he cites articles from a white nationalist site" seems to be a rather cut and dried example of the genetic fallacy, emotive arguments to the contrary notwithstanding.

In the way it is used in this context that is actually not an example of the genetic fallacy. Try again.

[Tassman]

I wanted to find out how deep the derangement is going, whether it is merely Trump-focused.

[rogue06]

After over 3 years of the MSM incessantly claiming Trump is a traitor who cheated his way to the presidency it really is surprising that his approval numbers are consistently more than double what Congress' are.

[Teallaura]

See below.



In the way it is used in this context that is actually not an example of the genetic fallacy. Try again.

Is, too.

[rogue06]

So, Stephen Miller isn't someone that is even worthy of serious discussion?

While some may argue not since after his release of "Abracadabra" I personally think he peaked at "Book of Dreams"

[Charles]

Is, too.

Nope. Sorry.

Saying "X is white nationalist because he cites articles from a white nationalist site" does not fit the description on the source you provided: "Description: Basing the truth claim of an argument on the origin of its claims or premises."

You can agree or disagree on whether what Stephen Miller seems to have done shows he is a white nationalist. But in this context it was not used as a way of saying "his points are not true, because he is" or "this source is crap and thus..." Other posters have made the genetic fallacy (OBP is one of them) in this thread and you have not pointed that out. And then you wrongly claim a statement that was not a genetic fallacy was one.

[Charles]

Michael Gerson shares his perspective:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...39d_story.html

[rogue06]

Michael Gerson shares his perspective:





https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...39d_story.html

When you don't have the facts on your side I guess you're stuck sharing opinions and perspectives.

[JimL]

The source is a discredited agency with a long history of its own racism. Seriously, is your standard of evidence 'looks bad for Trump, must be true'?

FYI, a fish's head is the very last part to rot. Grew up on a lake so yeah, I'm sure. Doesn't prove anything since it was just an analogy - just struck me as silly.

Are you suggesting that the shared Miller e-mails in question don't exist?