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  • #16
    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Genetic fallacy. Try again.
    I don't think so OBP. Pulling data and ideas from White Supremacists websites is never a good thing. Unless you are frequenting those sites to understand and combat their goals, you are there for the wrong reasons. And taking and using their propaganda to construct real policy in the US, that is ALWAYS a very, very bad thing. And this is not a one time thing OBP.

    The genetic fallacy simply doesn't apply. Or would you classify the destruction of Mengele's notes as an application of 'the genetic fallacy'? Some sources are so bad one must not legitimize them in any way.
    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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    • #17
      Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
      So, to bring this back on topic.... are these released emails where Miller makes reference to various white nationalist websites and book real or not? If they're real and he did actually send them then it's pretty cut & dry, surely?
      It's cut and dry that 'the Jew is a Nazi'?
      Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
        It's cut and dry that 'the Jew is a Nazi'?
        ? Hitler was of Jewish descent. What does him being Jewish have to do with anything?

        It is cut and dry that he needs to be removed if he is pulling policy and/or pushing policy based on content he reads on white supremacist websites. It doesn't matter what his genetic makeup is.
        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Charles View Post
          That is ok. It is, however, not easy to see in what way and to which part OBP thinks it applies. I do not feel too certain he understands what he is saying, since large part of what he comments on cannot possibly be a genetic fallacy.
          I am sorry that you seem to be unable to follow my thought processes. "X is white nationalist because he cites articles from a white nationalist site" seems to be a rather cut and dried example of the genetic fallacy, emotive arguments to the contrary notwithstanding.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
            ? Hitler was of Jewish descent. What does him being Jewish have to do with anything?
            Hitler was mostly white and claimed to be white, with obvious self-hatred for the partial Jewish heritage. What is being claimed here is a lifelong avowed Jew is a white supremacist, which beggars belief.

            It is cut and dry that he needs to be removed if he is pulling policy and/or pushing policy based on content he reads on white supremacist websites
            Not if SPLC are the idiots defining what 'white supremacy' is.

            Weren't you supposed to be a conservative? Why do you parrot every unsubstantiated anonymous claims NYT and CNN make about Trump, why do you trust the SPLC? Truly you are deranged.

            Or are you one of those fake moderates like carped and Juvenal?
            Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
              Hitler was mostly white and claimed to be white, with obvious self-hatred for the partial Jewish heritage. What is being claimed here is a lifelong avowed Jew is a white supremacist, which beggars belief.
              I think it is more subtle than that. What is claimed is that he's getting policy information from white supremacist websites and promoting those ideas from his position. And if the email content is not manufactured, that would seem to be a cut and dry conclusion as was said earlier. The only possible hope is that they are not real. Why he would do that is a secondary issue.


              Not if SPLC are the idiots defining what 'white supremacy' is.

              Weren't you supposed to be a conservative? Why do you parrot every unsubstantiated anonymous claims NYT and CNN make about Trump, why do you trust the SPLC? Truly you are deranged.
              Because to a very large extent conservativsm in americal lost any moral bearings when Donald Trump arrived. Now many would argue they never had any to start with, and I wouldn't know about that in specific. But I certainly know that with only a few notable exceptions (McCain, Flake and a few others) the republican party left their morals outside the door of the Trump Administration. And so I'm now pretty much at odds with any conservative pundit that has done so - because I don't believe in opportunistic morality.

              Or are you one of those fake moderates like carped and Juvenal?
              I am what I have always been. My morals are defined by the teachings of Christ and the scripture. Truth is my primary goal, and I could care less about labels, or tribal commitments to 'groups' and 'group think'.
              Last edited by oxmixmudd; 11-14-2019, 12:56 PM.
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                But it's such an egalitarian phrase! Any one of any race can be a white nationalist!



                This woman was chased out of a Philadelphia restaurant by Antifa goons screaming "white supremacist" at her:



                The same crowd also started screaming "[F-bomb] the racist police" at the few black and Hispanic officers who responded to the disturbance.

                So at least for the lunatic left anyone regardless of race is a white supremacist if they don't agree with them.

                I'm always still in trouble again

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                  Truth is my primary goal


                  Which is why you're willing to trust the SPLC.

                  and I could care less about labels


                  You definitely do care about the labels of 'white supremacists', and your parroting of 'Trump is going down this time, really!!!!!!!!!!' is classic groupthink.
                  Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post


                    Which is why you're willing to trust the SPLC.





                    You definitely do care about the labels of 'white supremacists', and your parroting of 'Trump is going down this time, really!!!!!!!!!!' is classic groupthink.
                    So, all this time I thought you wanted a discussion. Silly me.
                    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                      So, all this time I thought you wanted a discussion. Silly me.
                      Anyone that takes the SPLC seriously doesn't even deserve a discussion.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        So, all this time I thought you wanted a discussion. Silly me.
                        Demi never wants actual discussion, his purpose is simply division, hence the name "demi-conservative."

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by seanD View Post
                          Anyone that takes the SPLC seriously doesn't even deserve a discussion.
                          So, Stephen Miller isn't someone that is even worthy of serious discussion?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            The SLPC has become a joke. They now list anyone that disagrees with their far left stances as a "hate group."
                            You mean the likes of:

                            White Aryan Resistance
                            Church of the Creator
                            Christian Knights of the KKK
                            Aryan Nations
                            Ranch Rescue
                            Billy Ray Johnson
                            Imperial Klans of America

                            - cited Wiki

                            Yes, they're a bit of a "joke", right?

                            This is why both the FBI and military have cut ties with them.
                            They've never worked directly the FBI and the military, but the SLPC has long utilized information from such sources.
                            Last edited by Tassman; 11-16-2019, 02:10 AM.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              You mean the likes of:

                              White Aryan Resistance
                              Church of the Creator
                              Christian Knights of the KKK
                              Aryan Nations
                              Ranch Rescue
                              Billy Ray Johnson
                              Imperial Klans of America

                              - cited Wiki

                              Yes, they're a bit of a "joke", right?



                              They've never worked directly the FBI and the military, but the SLPC has long utilized information from such sources.
                              Yes the Southern Poverty Law Center. The same Southern Poverty Law Center which was unceremoniously dropped by the FBI's Hate Crime Web page as a source.

                              The same Southern Poverty Law Center which branded the Family Research Council, a mainstream conservative think tank founded by James Dobson a "hate group" on par with Aryan Nations, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Stormfront and the Westboro Baptist Church.

                              In the latter case SPLC's designation led directly to an armed gunman, Floyd Corkins II, entering FRC's Washington D.C. headquarters in 2012 and opening fire. Fortunately nobody was killed although a security guard was wounded before wrestling Corkins to the ground and disarming him.

                              Corkins, a gay activist who volunteered at a LGBT community center, told the FBI agent interviewing him that he picked the FRC to attack because they were on the SPLC's list of anti-gay "hate groups."



                              The SPLC strenuously defended their actions because, get this, the FRC takes a political stance that they disagree with. That was enough to earn them being listed as a hate group. Meanwhile groups like Black Lives Matter chant things like "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon!" and "What do we want? Dead cops!" at their protests but the SPLC sees nothing wrong with that and even say they are merely "activists for racial justice." This is one of the reasons why the SPLC has lost credibility including among many liberals.


                              The Southern Poverty Law Center only call those they disagree with politically a hate group.

                              I noted how the FBI dumped them but they aren't the only ones. In 2014, the Pentagon declared that they were eliminating all information on hate groups provided by the SPLC but would still use them in "non-federal reference material" for the Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute (DEOMI). Then in 2017 Brian J. Field, assistant U.S. attorney from the Civil Division announced that the Department of Defense's Office of Diversity Management and Equal Opportunity has removed any and all references to the SPLC in training materials used by the DEOMI.

                              This was a year after the Department of Justice's Executive Office for Immigration Review reprimanded the SPLC for accusing the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) of being a racist hate group. The SPLC ignored the rebuke and continued calling FAIR a hate group.

                              To illustrate just how far out of touch with reality that the SPLC really is they list the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting by Omar Mateen the most deadly Islamic terror attack since 9/11, along with the shootings of police officers by black anti-white radicals as "right-wing" plots.

                              It wouldn't surprise me a bit if they end up proclaiming that the bogus attack on Jussie Smollett a right wing plot as well.


                              Further Reading:
                              Last edited by rogue06; 11-16-2019, 04:05 AM.

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                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by seanD View Post
                                Anyone that takes the SPLC seriously doesn't even deserve a discussion.
                                Your attitude borders on the inane.
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