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  • #46
    Originally posted by Charles View Post
    Nope. Sorry.

    Saying "X is white nationalist because he cites articles from a white nationalist site" does not fit the description on the source you provided: "Description: Basing the truth claim of an argument on the origin of its claims or premises."

    You can agree or disagree on whether what Stephen Miller seems to have done shows he is a white nationalist. But in this context it was not used as a way of saying "his points are not true, because he is" or "this source is crap and thus..." Other posters have made the genetic fallacy (OBP is one of them) in this thread and you have not pointed that out. And then you wrongly claim a statement that was not a genetic fallacy was one.
    Is too.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by JimL View Post
      Are you suggesting that the shared Miller e-mails in question don't exist?
      I'm suggesting any SPLC claim is likely bogus - so likely that I see little point considering them. Most especially because no context is given - after all, the SPLC is propagating the exact same white supremacist materials so, minus context, it's just as valid to assume the SPLC is a white supremacist organization.

      You wanna dig through the emails - assuming they are available - go for it. I've got litter boxes that need cleaning.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        When you don't have the facts on your side I guess you're stuck sharing opinions and perspectives.
        That is a straw man as anyone reading the quotes or following the link can easily see. Having said that I fail to see the problem of having opinions or sharing perspectives on white nationalism. They can be inconvenient for those who feel a need to support a government that cannot be supported by a decent moral standard on this area, and that perhaps is why it is convenient to just call it an opinion.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Charles View Post
          That is a straw man as anyone reading the quotes or following the link can easily see. Having said that I fail to see the problem of having opinions or sharing perspectives on white nationalism. They can be inconvenient for those who feel a need to support a government that cannot be supported by a decent moral standard on this area, and that perhaps is why it is convenient to just call it an opinion.
          Of all the possible reasons that I could have for mocking your reliance on opinions and perspectives rather than facts you presume that it must be due to having a problem with sharing perspectives on white nationalism. Uh. Huh. Yup. That's gotta be the reason alright.

          I think we all just learned a little something more about you and it wasn't exactly pretty.

          I'm always still in trouble again

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          • #50
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Of all the possible reasons that I could have for mocking your reliance on opinions and perspectives rather than facts you presume that it must be due to having a problem with sharing perspectives on white nationalism. Uh. Huh. Yup. That's gotta be the reason alright.

            I think we all just learned a little something more about you and it wasn't exactly pretty.
            Meh. Charles is mostly here to troll Christians/conservatives. When he is clearly trolling (as is the case here), I wouldn't take what he says as necessarily his personal opinion.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Of all the possible reasons that I could have for mocking your reliance on opinions and perspectives rather than facts you presume that it must be due to having a problem with sharing perspectives on white nationalism. Uh. Huh. Yup. That's gotta be the reason alright.

              I think we all just learned a little something more about you and it wasn't exactly pretty.
              Like I said your description on the text was a straw man as there are facts in it. And again, the perpectives and opinions pointed to the problem of white nationalism and you tried to turn focus away from that. We could be discussing that if you didn't rely on a straw man and a personal attack.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Charles View Post
                Like I said your description on the text was a straw man as there are facts in it. And again, the perpectives and opinions pointed to the problem of white nationalism and you tried to turn focus away from that. We could be discussing that if you didn't rely on a straw man and a personal attack.
                Nothing stopped you from continuing on that track - but your actual actions don't support this line of reasoning.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Charles View Post
                  Like I said your description on the text was a straw man as there are facts in it. And again, the perpectives and opinions pointed to the problem of white nationalism and you tried to turn focus away from that. We could be discussing that if you didn't rely on a straw man and a personal attack.
                  You made a post where you offered someone else's opinion. That's even how you framed the post. That's why I said that when you don't have any facts you're stuck offering opinions instead

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    You made a post where you offered someone else's opinion. That's even how you framed the post. That's why I said that when you don't have any facts you're stuck offering opinions instead
                    An opinion based on facts and good reasoning. You left that part out. It rather seems you try to ignore the facts and the impression they cause when you think about them. Claiming there are no facts rather gives the impression the facts do not speak in your favour. In this case it is rather obvious that they do not so I see what you try to get away from.
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