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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    First let me correct you for your own benefit. Any greek text of John 17:3 has "and Jesus Christ...."

    https://biblehub.com/text/john/17-3.htm

    Second, if according to Jesus, "the only true God" is God the Father, then it is literslly impossible for anyone to be "the only true God" apart from God the Father according to Jesus in John 17:1-3.

    All other verses have to be to in line with the clear cut descripture of the Father that is "the only true God" of Jesus in John 17:3. Otherwise, you contradict what Jesus said.
    You are not understanding, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; . . ." -- 1 Timothy 2:5.
    "Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." -- Isaiah 53:12. Jesus in His own words, ". . . no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." -- John 14:6.

    Effectively no one has access to God except through the one whom God sent into the world (to mankind). God had sent Him into the world before having Him being born of woman. "And the LORD [YHWH] appeared unto Abram, . . ." -- Genesis 12:6, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. . . ." -- John 1:18.

    Your problem seems to be you refuse to believe what is being explained.

    Either one knows God and has eternal life (John 17:3) or one does no know God. And there is only one way to know God (John 14:6).
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    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    God knows everything according to 1 John 3:20 and therefore describing specifically "only the Father" to know that hour means none can be God except God the Father.
    I asked you if YOUR Allah knows everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    First let me correct you for your own benefit. Any greek text of John 17:3 has "and Jesus Christ...."

    https://biblehub.com/text/john/17-3.htm

    Second, if according to Jesus, "the only true God" is God the Father, then it is literslly impossible for anyone to be "the only true God" apart from God the Father according to Jesus in John 17:1-3.

    All other verses have to be to in line with the clear cut descripture of the Father that is "the only true God" of Jesus in John 17:3. Otherwise, you contradict what Jesus said.
    Saying that YHWH is the only true God does not tell us His nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    First let me correct you for your own benefit. Any greek text of John 17:3 has "and Jesus Christ...."

    https://biblehub.com/text/john/17-3.htm

    Second, if according to Jesus, "the only true God" is God the Father, then it is literslly impossible for anyone to be "the only true God" apart from God the Father according to Jesus in John 17:1-3.

    All other verses have to be to in line with the clear cut descripture of the Father that is "the only true God" of Jesus in John 17:3. Otherwise, you contradict what Jesus said.
    Again, you do not know what you are talking about. Yes, God the Father is the only true God. His Son is the true light, John 1:9, Hebrews 1:2-3. And you cannot know God except through His Son whom He sent, John 14:6, John 17:3. Which makes His Son a key part of having eternal life, 1 John 5:12, 2 John 1:9. You refuse to hear.

    Without the Son being God, that Word "was God," "with God" you cannot know God! John 1:1.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Again, you do not know what you are talking about. Yes, God the Father is the only true God. His Son is the true light, John 1:9, Hebrews 1:2-3. And you cannot know God except through His Son whom He sent, John 14:6, John 17:3. Which makes His Son a key part of having eternal life, 1 John 5:12, 2 John 1:9. You refuse to hear.

    Without the Son being God, that Word "was God," "with God" you cannot know God! John 1:1.
    Saying "Without the Son being God, that Word "was God," "with God" makes it obvious there are two gods which is against 1 Corinth 8:4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    Saying "Without the Son being God, that Word "was God," "with God" makes it obvious there are two gods which is against 1 Corinth 8:4.
    You obviously are not qualified to discuss Christianity with Christians so give it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    Saying "Without the Son being God, that Word "was God," "with God" makes it obvious there are two gods which is against 1 Corinth 8:4.
    You obviously are unable understand how God can have a God and that there is only the One God. Pslams 45:6-7, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

    Hebrews 1:8- 9, "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

    Not anyone can know the only true God except through God's Son. John 14:6. John 17:3.
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    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    You obviously are unable understand how God can have a God and that there is only the One God. Pslams 45:6-7, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

    Hebrews 1:8- 9, "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

    Not anyone can know the only true God except through God's Son. John 14:6. John 17:3.
    Jesus made it clear in Matthew 24:36 that no one knows that hour "BUT ONLY THE FATHER" so if they (the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit) are God, they must know everything at all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    Jesus made it clear in Matthew 24:36 that no one knows that hour "BUT ONLY THE FATHER" so if they (the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit) are God, they must know everything at all time.
    As I had explained, Jesus had explained this, Acts 1:7. And I shall add it does does not make Jesus not the Word, John 1:14; John 1:1-3; John 1:10.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    As I had explained, Jesus had explained this, Acts 1:7. And I shall add it does does not make Jesus not the Word, John 1:14; John 1:1-3; John 1:10.
    If Jesus died, Jesus CANNOT BE GOD IN NATURE because God CANNOT DIE.

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