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  • Student Religious Liberties Act in Ohio

    https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-wor...ue-to-religion

    The gist of the bill is that students cannot be penalized for giving answers to classwork that is scientifically inaccurate as long as they cite their religious beliefs. The whole thing is there if anybody wants to read it.

    This seems like the wrong way to go about it. What's wrong with just letting kids answer something like "according to the textbook" or "according to the theory of evolution" instead of giving everybody an easy to abuse loophole the size of the Grand Canyon?

    Yeah, people laugh at people saying "it's against my religion" as a joke, but there are people out there who genuinely believe the metric system is a Communist conspiracy so it's not too far of a stretch to see this getting abused.
    Last edited by KingsGambit; 11-15-2019, 09:38 AM.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

  • #2
    When MelMak was in school he made a point of answering evolution questions with, "this is what the textbook says. This is what I believe."

    At that time, that was acceptable to the teachers. Whether it would be the case now, I don't know.

    By the way, he did a major English essay on the life and poems of Fanny Crosby, which landed him an A and very positive comments from the teacher.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
      https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-wor...ue-to-religion

      The gist of the bill is that students cannot be penalized for giving answers to classwork that is scientifically inaccurate as long as they cite their religious beliefs. The whole thing is there if anybody wants to read it.

      This seems like the wrong way to go about it. What's wrong with just letting kids answer something like "according to the textbook" or "according to the theory of evolution" instead of giving everybody an easy to abuse loophole the size of the Grand Canyon?

      Yeah, people laugh at people saying "it's against my religion" as a joke, but there are people out there who genuinely believe the metric system is a Communist conspiracy so it's not too far of a stretch to see this getting abused.
      My introduction to serious biology was when I was a junior in high school. My biology teacher told us up front, "I'm a Christian, I am required to cover some material with which I may not agree, so let's be clear - my questions on the test will begin with "according to the classroom material.....".

      It made it extremely easy answer the evolution questions.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-wor...ue-to-religion

        The gist of the bill is that students cannot be penalized for giving answers to classwork that is scientifically inaccurate as long as they cite their religious beliefs. The whole thing is there if anybody wants to read it.

        This seems like the wrong way to go about it. What's wrong with just letting kids answer something like "according to the textbook" or "according to the theory of evolution" instead of giving everybody an easy to abuse loophole the size of the Grand Canyon?

        Yeah, people laugh at people saying "it's against my religion" as a joke, but there are people out there who genuinely believe the metric system is a Communist conspiracy so it's not too far of a stretch to see this getting abused.


        From the doc in your link:

        Sec. 3320.01. (A) Sections 3320.01, 3320.02, and 3320.03 388
        H. B. No. 164 Page 15
        As Passed by the House




        of the Revised Code shall be collectively known as the "Ohio 389
        Student Religious Liberties Act of 2019." 390


        (B) As used in sections 3320.01 to 3320.03 of the Revised 391
        Code, "religious expression" includes any of the following: 392


        (1) Prayer; 393


        (2) Religious gatherings, including but not limited to 394
        prayer groups, religious clubs, "see you at the pole" 395
        gatherings, or other religious gatherings; 396


        (3) Distribution of written materials or literature of a 397
        religious nature; 398


        (4) Any other activity of a religious nature, including 399
        wearing symbolic clothing or expression of a religious 400
        viewpoint, provided that the activity is not obscene, vulgar, 401
        offensively lewd, or indecent. 402


        Sec. 3320.02. (A) A student enrolled in a public school 403
        may engage in religious expression before, during, and after 404
        school hours in the same manner and to the same extent that a 405
        student is permitted to engage in secular activities or 406
        expression before, during, and after school hours. 407


        (B) A school district, community school established under 408
        Chapter 3314., STEM school established under Chapter 3326., or a 409
        college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 410
        3328. of the Revised Code shall give the same access to school 411
        facilities to students who wish to conduct a meeting for the 412
        purpose of engaging in religious expression as is given to 413
        secular student groups, without regard to the content of a 414
        student's or group's expression. 415


        Sec. 3320.03. No school district board of education, 416
        H. B. No. 164 Page 16
        As Passed by the House




        governing authority of a community school established under 417
        Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM 418
        school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or 419
        board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school 420
        established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall 421
        prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the 422
        completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral 423
        assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated 424
        using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, 425
        including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not 426
        penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a 427
        student's work.




        *emphasis mine

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Teallaura View Post


          From the doc in your link:

          Sec. 3320.01. (A) Sections 3320.01, 3320.02, and 3320.03 388
          H. B. No. 164 Page 15
          As Passed by the House




          of the Revised Code shall be collectively known as the "Ohio 389
          Student Religious Liberties Act of 2019." 390


          (B) As used in sections 3320.01 to 3320.03 of the Revised 391
          Code, "religious expression" includes any of the following: 392


          (1) Prayer; 393


          (2) Religious gatherings, including but not limited to 394
          prayer groups, religious clubs, "see you at the pole" 395
          gatherings, or other religious gatherings; 396


          (3) Distribution of written materials or literature of a 397
          religious nature; 398


          (4) Any other activity of a religious nature, including 399
          wearing symbolic clothing or expression of a religious 400
          viewpoint, provided that the activity is not obscene, vulgar, 401
          offensively lewd, or indecent. 402


          Sec. 3320.02. (A) A student enrolled in a public school 403
          may engage in religious expression before, during, and after 404
          school hours in the same manner and to the same extent that a 405
          student is permitted to engage in secular activities or 406
          expression before, during, and after school hours. 407


          (B) A school district, community school established under 408
          Chapter 3314., STEM school established under Chapter 3326., or a 409
          college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 410
          3328. of the Revised Code shall give the same access to school 411
          facilities to students who wish to conduct a meeting for the 412
          purpose of engaging in religious expression as is given to 413
          secular student groups, without regard to the content of a 414
          student's or group's expression. 415


          Sec. 3320.03. No school district board of education, 416
          H. B. No. 164 Page 16
          As Passed by the House




          governing authority of a community school established under 417
          Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM 418
          school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or 419
          board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school 420
          established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall 421
          prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the 422
          completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral 423
          assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated 424
          using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, 425
          including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not 426
          penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a 427
          student's work.




          *emphasis mine

          You have got to stop watching ABC after bedtime - it's giving you nightmares.
          ?
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
            ?
            Where's the beef?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
              Where's the beef?
              Is that an idiom?
              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                Is that an idiom?
                No, seriously, where in that statute does it say a student can give a factually wrong answer?
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                  • #10
                    Teal beat me to it, I just posted something to a friend on Facebook.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                      Is that an idiom?
                      Yes.

                      The expression became famous in the U.S. around 35 years ago via Wendy's commercials, comparing their big, beefy burgers with the tiny mostly bun burgers of the competition.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                        Yes.

                        The expression became famous in the U.S. around 35 years ago via Wendy's commercials, comparing their big, beefy burgers with the tiny mostly bun burgers of the competition.
                        Oh, he was really asking. I thought he was being sardonic.

                        Sorry, KG.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
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                          I'm always still in trouble again

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                            Yes.

                            The expression became famous in the U.S. around 35 years ago via Wendy's commercials, comparing their big, beefy burgers with the tiny mostly bun burgers of the competition.

                            The catch phrase became an all-purpose phrase questioning the substance of an idea, event or product.

                            And that old lady made a bundle saying those three words

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              I'm generally in support of protecting religious liberties...but I'm not sure this new law was a smart move. No need to coddle the religious children. They should learn to deal with opposing ideas and, indeed, critically examine their own beliefs.

                              Also, I'm a big Calvin and Hobbes fan. :P
                              "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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