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    Student Religious Liberties Act in Ohio

    https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-wor...ue-to-religion

    The gist of the bill is that students cannot be penalized for giving answers to classwork that is scientifically inaccurate as long as they cite their religious beliefs. The whole thing is there if anybody wants to read it.

    This seems like the wrong way to go about it. What's wrong with just letting kids answer something like "according to the textbook" or "according to the theory of evolution" instead of giving everybody an easy to abuse loophole the size of the Grand Canyon?

    Yeah, people laugh at people saying "it's against my religion" as a joke, but there are people out there who genuinely believe the metric system is a Communist conspiracy so it's not too far of a stretch to see this getting abused.
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    When MelMak was in school he made a point of answering evolution questions with, "this is what the textbook says. This is what I believe."

    At that time, that was acceptable to the teachers. Whether it would be the case now, I don't know.

    By the way, he did a major English essay on the life and poems of Fanny Crosby, which landed him an A and very positive comments from the teacher.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-wor...ue-to-religion

    The gist of the bill is that students cannot be penalized for giving answers to classwork that is scientifically inaccurate as long as they cite their religious beliefs. The whole thing is there if anybody wants to read it.

    This seems like the wrong way to go about it. What's wrong with just letting kids answer something like "according to the textbook" or "according to the theory of evolution" instead of giving everybody an easy to abuse loophole the size of the Grand Canyon?

    Yeah, people laugh at people saying "it's against my religion" as a joke, but there are people out there who genuinely believe the metric system is a Communist conspiracy so it's not too far of a stretch to see this getting abused.
    My introduction to serious biology was when I was a junior in high school. My biology teacher told us up front, "I'm a Christian, I am required to cover some material with which I may not agree, so let's be clear - my questions on the test will begin with "according to the classroom material.....".

    It made it extremely easy answer the evolution questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-wor...ue-to-religion

    The gist of the bill is that students cannot be penalized for giving answers to classwork that is scientifically inaccurate as long as they cite their religious beliefs. The whole thing is there if anybody wants to read it.

    This seems like the wrong way to go about it. What's wrong with just letting kids answer something like "according to the textbook" or "according to the theory of evolution" instead of giving everybody an easy to abuse loophole the size of the Grand Canyon?

    Yeah, people laugh at people saying "it's against my religion" as a joke, but there are people out there who genuinely believe the metric system is a Communist conspiracy so it's not too far of a stretch to see this getting abused.


    From the doc in your link:

    Sec. 3320.01. (A) Sections 3320.01, 3320.02, and 3320.03 388
    H. B. No. 164 Page 15
    As Passed by the House




    of the Revised Code shall be collectively known as the "Ohio 389
    Student Religious Liberties Act of 2019." 390


    (B) As used in sections 3320.01 to 3320.03 of the Revised 391
    Code, "religious expression" includes any of the following: 392


    (1) Prayer; 393


    (2) Religious gatherings, including but not limited to 394
    prayer groups, religious clubs, "see you at the pole" 395
    gatherings, or other religious gatherings; 396


    (3) Distribution of written materials or literature of a 397
    religious nature; 398


    (4) Any other activity of a religious nature, including 399
    wearing symbolic clothing or expression of a religious 400
    viewpoint, provided that the activity is not obscene, vulgar, 401
    offensively lewd, or indecent. 402


    Sec. 3320.02. (A) A student enrolled in a public school 403
    may engage in religious expression before, during, and after 404
    school hours in the same manner and to the same extent that a 405
    student is permitted to engage in secular activities or 406
    expression before, during, and after school hours. 407


    (B) A school district, community school established under 408
    Chapter 3314., STEM school established under Chapter 3326., or a 409
    college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 410
    3328. of the Revised Code shall give the same access to school 411
    facilities to students who wish to conduct a meeting for the 412
    purpose of engaging in religious expression as is given to 413
    secular student groups, without regard to the content of a 414
    student's or group's expression. 415


    Sec. 3320.03. No school district board of education, 416
    H. B. No. 164 Page 16
    As Passed by the House




    governing authority of a community school established under 417
    Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM 418
    school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or 419
    board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school 420
    established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall 421
    prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the 422
    completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral 423
    assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated 424
    using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, 425
    including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not 426
    penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a 427
    student's work.




    *emphasis mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post


    From the doc in your link:

    Sec. 3320.01. (A) Sections 3320.01, 3320.02, and 3320.03 388
    H. B. No. 164 Page 15
    As Passed by the House




    of the Revised Code shall be collectively known as the "Ohio 389
    Student Religious Liberties Act of 2019." 390


    (B) As used in sections 3320.01 to 3320.03 of the Revised 391
    Code, "religious expression" includes any of the following: 392


    (1) Prayer; 393


    (2) Religious gatherings, including but not limited to 394
    prayer groups, religious clubs, "see you at the pole" 395
    gatherings, or other religious gatherings; 396


    (3) Distribution of written materials or literature of a 397
    religious nature; 398


    (4) Any other activity of a religious nature, including 399
    wearing symbolic clothing or expression of a religious 400
    viewpoint, provided that the activity is not obscene, vulgar, 401
    offensively lewd, or indecent. 402


    Sec. 3320.02. (A) A student enrolled in a public school 403
    may engage in religious expression before, during, and after 404
    school hours in the same manner and to the same extent that a 405
    student is permitted to engage in secular activities or 406
    expression before, during, and after school hours. 407


    (B) A school district, community school established under 408
    Chapter 3314., STEM school established under Chapter 3326., or a 409
    college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 410
    3328. of the Revised Code shall give the same access to school 411
    facilities to students who wish to conduct a meeting for the 412
    purpose of engaging in religious expression as is given to 413
    secular student groups, without regard to the content of a 414
    student's or group's expression. 415


    Sec. 3320.03. No school district board of education, 416
    H. B. No. 164 Page 16
    As Passed by the House




    governing authority of a community school established under 417
    Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM 418
    school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or 419
    board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school 420
    established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall 421
    prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the 422
    completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral 423
    assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated 424
    using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, 425
    including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not 426
    penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a 427
    student's work.




    *emphasis mine

    You have got to stop watching ABC after bedtime - it's giving you nightmares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
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    Where's the beef?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Where's the beef?
    Is that an idiom?
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Is that an idiom?
    No, seriously, where in that statute does it say a student can give a factually wrong answer?

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