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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Yes, I know the details, and yes the trials were carried out with due process and accepted military legal procedures. I believe he should let the military system of justice be accepted and follow the legal course based on the Uniform Code of Military Justice in the military.
    Most of these Jag officers who prosecute these warriors have no idea what combat is like. Back in WW2 they would have imprisoned half the Marie Corps because they would regularly shoot surrendering Japanese soldiers and Japanese prisoners.

    American troops 'murdered Japanese PoWs'

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nese-PoWs.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Most of these Jag officers who prosecute these warriors have no idea what combat is like. Back in WW2 they would have imprisoned half the Marie Corps because they would regularly shoot surrendering Japanese soldiers and Japanese prisoners.

    American troops 'murdered Japanese PoWs'

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nese-PoWs.html
    And your point is? Is it ok to shoot surrendering soldiers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Most of these Jag officers who prosecute these warriors have no idea what combat is like. Back in WW2 they would have imprisoned half the Marie Corps because they would regularly shoot surrendering Japanese soldiers and Japanese prisoners.

    American troops 'murdered Japanese PoWs'

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nese-PoWs.html
    I don't think some of these people have a clue how the JAG corps actually works. These are often young people straight of law school who are granted a commission because of their doctorate in law, just like dentists and medical doctors are assigned an officer's rank with - often - ZERO experience in combat.

    Just like civilian lawyers, a JAG lawyer is looking out for his W's. His/her record depends not on dispensing or advancing justice, but on winning a case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Most of these Jag officers who prosecute these warriors have no idea what combat is like. Back in WW2 they would have imprisoned half the Marie Corps because they would regularly shoot surrendering Japanese soldiers and Japanese prisoners.

    American troops 'murdered Japanese PoWs'

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nese-PoWs.html
    And that would be illegal in this day and time - a war crime. The Geneva convention prohibits such actions. As do US military codes of conduct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    And your point is? Is it ok to shoot surrendering soldiers?
    Yep in certain cases, you need to read what the Japanese soldiers did to American captives, including cannibalism, using live Marines as bayonet practice, cutting of their genitals and a slew of other horrible things. Read "With the Old Breed" or "A Helmet For My Pillow." After what happen on Guadalcanal all bets were off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Yep in certain cases, you need to read what the Japanese soldiers did to American captives, including cannibalism, using live Marines as bayonet practice, cutting of their genitals and a slew of other horrible things. Read "With the Old Breed" or "A Helmet For My Pillow." After what happen on Guadalcanal all bets were off.
    I don't think one side violating these war crimes laws allows the other country to do the same. They would not be much use then, would they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    And that would be illegal in this day and time - a war crime. The Geneva convention prohibits such actions.
    Except neither the Japanese nor radical Muslims follow the Geneva convention. And it was illegal back then too - but the higher ups know better than to bring charges against the Marines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Except neither the Japanese nor radical Muslims follow the Geneva convention. And it was illegal back then too - but the higher ups know better than to bring charges against the Marines.
    If no one follows or enforces the rules, what good are they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I don't think one side violating these war crimes laws allows the other country to do the same. They would not be much use then, would they?
    You don't think the firebombing of Tokyo (a largely civilian target) was a war crime? It would have been if we lost...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    If no one follows or enforces the rules, what good are they?
    What good are they when the enemy doesn't follow them?
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