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    On Chick-Fil-A's Donation Stance

    What does it matter what CFA does?

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    What do I think about what has happened with Chick-Fil-A recently? Letís plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    Okay. I donít have a real personal interest in this. Contrary to many Christians, I donít care for chicken. Itís the thing about having Aspergers. My diet is extremely limited. I do like the fries there, but thatís about it.

    Like many of you, when I heard about Chick-Fil-A not donating anymore to some causes, I was shocked. There are two sides to every coin and I have heard Christians arguing on both sides, but I think CFA did a great mistake yesterday that will damage not only them, but the people they are not supporting. I want to try to understand as much as I can still and explain the best I can, but thatís where I fall at the end of the day.

    Of course, just because someone or something stops supporting someone, it doesnít mean that they think the cause is not valid anymore. If someone stops being a supporter of Deeper Waters, should I think that they no longer care about Christian apologetics and ministry? It could be that, but itís not necessarily that.

    One reason given for this lack of supporting these organizations is that they are supposedly anti-LGBTQ. It is never explained what this means. Today, we live in a day and age where disagreement with a behavior is seen as hatred towards the person. (Does that mean people who hate how Christians practice their belief hate Christians?) One such organization being dropped from donations is the Salvation Army.

    You know those hateful bigots. Right? Theyíre the ones standing outside of grocery stores on Christmas ringing the bells and wishing everyone a Merry Christmas. I am not going to claim everyone who works there is a saint, but they care greatly for the homeless and those in need. Are they anti-LGBTQ? Well, letís see what they have said.

    Does The Salvation Army serve the LGBTQ Community?

    Yes. Any person who walks through our doors will receive assistance based on their need and our capacity to help. Our mission is to the preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and meet human need in His name without discrimination.


    Does The Salvation Army provide shelter to transgender people?

    Yes. When a transgender person seeks help from us, we serve them in the same manner as any other person seeking assistance. Too often, LGBTQ Americans experience unacceptable homophobia or transphobia when seeking shelter. The Salvation Army seeks to be a welcome, safe place for all men, women, and children.


    Does The Salvation Army consider the sexual orientation or gender identity of an applicant in its hiring practices?

    No. We embrace talented people regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation or gender identity. Our hiring practices are open to all.


    Does The Salvation Army provide benefits to the spouses of employees in same-sex marriages?

    Yes. We provide the same benefits to opposite-sex and same-sex couples.
    Some have said CFA is doing this because of contractual agreements to only support for a few years or to get into a UK market. Neither one of these is good reasons. Unfortunately, there are some effects that can follow from CFAís decision because of this.

    Years ago, CFA had the most successful day ever in fast food history with Chick-Fil-A Day. My family and I were ones that stood in line for about half an hour to get something there. It was arranged by Mike Huckabee. CFA never personally endorsed the day, but they reaped the benefits. Why did they get these benefits?

    Because many Americans today still believe in traditional marriage and they were proud to see one restaurant standing by their principles and not caving even when the other side was pushing in on them. They have done this consistently. Unless there is some emergency in an area, they are not open on Sundays when they could be making profits on those days.

    So CFA has some happy and loyal customers who support them because of their stances. Now Iím not saying CFA should go somewhere just because of the money, but at the same time, if they believe their stance is right, they should stick with it. Yesterday, the conservatives got the message from CFA that appeasement to the left is the proper way to go.

    Itís been seen by many as a slap in the face and foolishness. After all, give the left an inch and usually they take a mile. These people will not be satisfied until CFA is donating money to pro-LGBTQ organizations and until they have a requirement that every employee show up to work in drag and refuse to serve to those bigoted Christians and close not on Sundays, but on Muslim holidays.

    Not only that, now all these organizations that CFA has refused to donate to have been labeled as anti-LGBTQ, which will make it all the harder for them to get support. The mission that they are seeking to do will be less likely. In essence, they have been thrown under the bus.

    Some Christians are wanting to boycott CFA. If you are going that route, I can honestly understand it even if I donít support it. Buycotts like Chick-Fil-A Day work if there is a concentrated effort. When Duck Dynasty was pulled from the air, a concentrated effort worked to get the station to reverse its decision.

    My only concern with this is if Christians go this route and CFA responds positively, just like with Duck Dynasty, please do not stop there. The message I got with the Duck Dynasty event was that Christians will get up in arms when a TV show is removed because of its Christian principles, but once they get what they want, Christians sit back down again. If that is the case, all that matters is the TV show. It is not the greater cause of the Kingdom.

    If you do a boycott, do it not because CFA matters so much, but the cause of Christ does. You think CFA has betrayed that cause and you will not support them while they are doing that. Note also this is your personal conscience. Some Christians might still go from time to time because they just see CFA as a chicken sandwich restaurant. As Paul would say, let each be convinced in their own mind.

    My own hope is that CFA will reverse this decision. Itís not going to keep me up at night or anything like that, but I think they sent a very bad message yesterday. Itís really just bad business also to do something to anger your largest support group and try to appease your most vocal critics instead that wonít be pleased.

    CFA. If you read this, please reconsider.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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    I wish Christians would care even a tenth as much about what is happening to believers in China, frankly. We remain pretty comfortable still.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I wish Christians would care even a tenth as much about what is happening to believers in China, frankly. We remain pretty comfortable still.
    A frog in the slowly boiling water, "It's still fine, why do you guys care so much??????"
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    I wonder what we could actually do for china.

    I want to help folks. I sent a shoebox out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    A frog in the slowly boiling water, "It's still fine, why do you guys care so much??????"
    I never said it was fine, jackass.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I wish Christians would care even a tenth as much about what is happening to believers in China, frankly. We remain pretty comfortable still.
    If we solve the media suppression problem here, we'll be better informed about what happens there. And that means standing up to the bullies here.

    Wanna start a thread on Hong Kong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    If we solve the media suppression problem here, we'll be better informed about what happens there. And that means standing up to the bullies here.

    Wanna start a thread on Hong Kong?
    Hong Kong is separate from the persecution I have in mind on the mainland. I don't feel informed enough to discuss HK right now.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    I only have one word: Popeye's.
    Why would Popeye's be a better alternative given that its stance on this is now identical to CFA's?
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Hong Kong is separate from the persecution I have in mind on the mainland. I don't feel informed enough to discuss HK right now.
    Fair enough - but what makes you think all your brothers and sisters are as well informed about Chinese persecution as you are?

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