Second Amendment Sanctuary

[Mountain Man]

You know that isn't true.

Technically, Jimmy is correct that nobody is currently trying to ban guns, but Democrats have openly expressed their desire to, and there's no doubt that if they ever acquire enough power, they will do it.

[Charles]

I thought that was the point you were making? You said,


comparing how banning cars could cost more lives to how banning guns could cost more lives. If that isn't what you meant then you need to be clearer in your statements.

If nobody could legally own a gun, then only criminals would have guns and we would have no defense against them.

With regards to guns I only pointed to the fact that some people make the statement that "Like when some people claim that some of the mass shootings could have been prevented or stopped at an earlier point if more good people had guns." I do not know enought about that particular area to be able to argue for or against.

With regards to your statement: "If nobody could legally own a gun, then only criminals would have guns and we would have no defense against them." then that is a bit of a simplification, I think. First of all the police could be allowed to have guns and work as a defence (though it would take time for them to arrive). And it is also possible that the number of mass shootings would be lower if it was harder to get hold of a gun in the first place. Many unknowns.

[Teallaura]

One of the nice things about being a Christian is that we don't have to live in fear.

The biggest drawback being having to love annoying people.

[Teallaura]

You could arbitrarily choose any cause of death and say the exact same thing.

"How many innocent people dying from falling off ladders would it take before you cared enough to do something about ladders?"

They added warning labels...

[Sparko]

They added warning labels...

https://ruger-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/...s/srSeries.pdf

[Teallaura]

https://ruger-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/...s/srSeries.pdf

The ones about the law at least make sense. But it's sad when people can't figure out on their own that ladders and guns are dangerous.

[JimL]

Technically, Jimmy is correct that nobody is currently trying to ban guns, but Democrats have openly expressed their desire to, and there's no doubt that if they ever acquire enough power, they will do it.

False. That just the propaganda being picked up through your tin foil hat.

[JimL]

One of the nice things about being a Christian is that we don't have to live in fear.

Of course, why do you think we invented god in the first place?

[simplicio]

Do localities have the right to defy state and federal laws?

Many argued that localities were overstepping their bounds when the topic was enforcement of immigration laws.

Is the second amendment the hill to stand on for Christians?

[rogue06]

Do localities have the right to defy state and federal laws?

Many argued that localities were overstepping their bounds when the topic was enforcement of immigration laws.

Is the second amendment the hill to stand on for Christians?

I'd answer no to both questions but I can see the left going to the courts to stop it and any decisions they get could then be applied to immigration sanctuary jurisdictions.

[simplicio]

I'd answer no to both questions but I can see the left going to the courts to stop it and any decisions they get could then be applied to immigration sanctuary jurisdictions.

Some Christian conservatives see the second amendment as the ultimate guarantee of the preservation of our liberties, and an example of a Divinely ordained right.

[rogue06]

Some Christian conservatives see the second amendment as the ultimate guarantee of the preservation of our liberties, and an example of a Divinely ordained right.

Those that framed the Bill of Rights definitely saw it, as well as the others enumerated, as being natural or God-given rights so in that way I guess the 2A could be described as "an example of a Divinely ordained right." But then, as I said, so would all of the others.

[Sparko]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know, you love your guns. But we love our kids and our grand kids even more. Relax, no one is trying to take your prescious guns away, we're trying to save peoples, particularly kids, lives.

Right no one is trying to take our guns away.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/dems-...ign=benshapiro

[JimL]

Right no one is trying to take our guns away.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/dems-...ign=benshapiro

Really, do you mean to tell me that they are threatening to enforce gun laws, OH MY!

[simplicio]

Those that framed the Bill of Rights definitely saw it, as well as the others enumerated, as being natural or God-given rights so in that way I guess the 2A could be described as "an example of a Divinely ordained right." But then, as I said, so would all of the others.

But just what part is divinely ordained? We have made ownership of automatic weapons near impossible, restrictions on machine guns have been around for nearly a century.

I certainly have not seen any convincing argument that owning an m60 machine gun, 20mm Cannon, or dragon (or Tow) antitank missile is a divinely ordained right, rooted in natural law. Though having my own m2 would be cool.

We have certainly infringed on, and restricted, the right to bear arms, reducing the second amendment to person weapons. Is the right an irreduceable right, as is the rights to guarantee human dignity?