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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I've lived all over Texas and haven't run into a single person who hates Lincoln. Never heard any such thing.
    Then why do the like Trump better?

    Apparently you have not meet any 'Sons of the Confederacy' which is very active in NC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimbulb View Post
    He seems to be the first to try to abuse it on such a vast scale. There have been presidents previously who have tried to hide their sins behind it, but Trump seems to be taking obstruction of justice to a whole new level with it.
    As soon as Democrats engage in a just process, then we can discuss whether or not the President is obstructing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    As soon as Democrats engage in a just process, then we can discuss whether or not the President is obstructing it.
    There is a very good chance that obstruction will form part of the articles of impeachment. He already has ‘form’ in that area. A favourite tactic of his is to litigate until the other fellow gives up or runs out of money. I think Congress can keep it up as long as he can. Pelosi has enough to work with even though he is blocking the production of evidence. The public, except the base, are amazed by the level of brazen criminality of this POTUS. He is definitely one of a kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Then why do the like Trump better?
    Better than what? A root canal without anesthesia?

    Apparently you have not meet any 'Sons of the Confederacy' which is very active in NC
    N or would I want to. But you started off referring to "the South", and I'm more "South" than you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtfloor View Post
    There is a very good chance that obstruction will form part of the articles of impeachment.
    Probably. Democrats have already said as much, even though in this case, they're twisting the meaning of "obstruction of justice" in order to condemn an innocent man who is simply trying to defend himself against false accusations.

    Here's Democrat "justice" for you: "We find the defendant guilty and sentence him to life in prison! We now call the defense to present their case."

    If the President is guilty of anything, it's obstruction of injustice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    There is a very good chance that obstruction will form part of the articles of impeachment...
    Here's the problem....

    A) the Democrats have to come up with AoC they can actually sell to the American public.
    2) they have to get enough representatives in the House to vote FOR impeachment to move to the Senate
    c) that means they will probably have to get major support from the American public, and that's just not changing
    D) even IF it goes to the Senate, a snowball has a better chance of surviving the hot place.
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    Upon reflection, I actually prefer NorrinRadd's explanation on the first page to my own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Here's the problem....

    A) the Democrats have to come up with AoC they can actually sell to the American public.
    2) they have to get enough representatives in the House to vote FOR impeachment to move to the Senate
    c) that means they will probably have to get major support from the American public, and that's just not changing
    D) even IF it goes to the Senate, a snowball has a better chance of surviving the hot place.
    The nightmare scenario for Democrats is they successfully impeach Trump in the House, but he is acquitted after an open trial in the Senate. This is why Democrats are now testing the idea of a censure instead, so their case against the President is never put to the test, and they can go into the 2020 campaign with the false narrative that the evidence against Trump is overwhelming and conclusive, even if unproven.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
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    Than a fool in the eyes of God


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The nightmare scenario for Democrats is they successfully impeach Trump in the House, but he is acquitted after an open trial in the Senate. This is why Democrats are now testing the idea of a censure instead, so their case against the President is never put to the test, and they can go into the 2020 campaign with the false narrative that the evidence against Trump is overwhelming and conclusive, even if unproven.
    Because they know full well that a trial in the Senate will not convict, and Trump will then run on "I have been EXONERATED", which, while technically incorrect, will work quite well for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    In a time of war, but also Bush did too.

    Source: https://www.thoughtco.com/bush-lincoln-both-suspended-habeas-corpus-3321847



    Why Bush and Lincoln Both Suspended Habeas Corpus
    The differences and similarities in each president's decision

    by
    Robert Longley
    Updated August 22, 2019

    On Oct. 17, 2006, President George W. Bush signed a law suspending the right of habeas corpus to persons "determined by the United States" to be an "enemy combatant" in the Global War on Terror.


    Bush's action drew severe criticism, mainly for the law's failure to specifically designate who in the United States will determine who is and who is not an "enemy combatant."


    'A Time of Shame This Is'
    Jonathan Turley, professor of constitutional law at George Washington University, objected to Bush's support for the law—the Military Commissions Act of 2006—and its suspension of writs of habeas corpus. He stated,

    "What, really, a time of shame this is for the American system. What the Congress did and what the president signed today essentially revokes over 200 years of American principles and values."

    Not the First Time

    The Military Commissions Act of 2006 was not the first time the Constitution's guaranteed right to writs of habeas corpus was suspended by an action of a president.

    In the early days of the U.S. Civil War President Abraham Lincoln suspended writs of habeas corpus.

    Both Bush and Lincoln based their actions on the dangers of war, and both presidents faced sharp criticism for carrying out what many believed to be an attack on the Constitution.

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    Many if not most conservative Republicans in the South hate Lincoln for obvious reasons.
    No, the South has a pretty favorable opinion of Lincoln. Habeas corpus applied in the North and the occupied states.

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