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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Excuses over doing something!
    Yeah, that's another thing - liberals push "doing something" even if it's the idiotic wrong thing, then make excuses to blame everybody else.
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Yes, I'm sure you believe that's exactly what I meant.
    No but it was what you seemed to be saying so I asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Not all social engineering is bad. The greatest social engineering program the US has attempted is the civil rights initiatives, including the federal anti lynching bill.

    Conservatives generally opposed those. They violated the conservative tenets of local control (or subsidiarity and states rights). We can look back and recognize those things as consistent with modern views of conservatism, but we often forget that contemporary conservatives looked at those and recoiled.

    Few conservatives want those social engineering initiatives rolled back.
    Those aren't examples of social engineering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Yeah, that's another thing - liberals push "doing something" even if it's the idiotic wrong thing, then make excuses to blame everybody else.
    Sure, CP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Those aren't examples of social engineering.
    Why? I think it accurate to say that those examples have become accepted, and we cannot imagine going back.

    The traditional values (referred to previously) mandated a separation of races to some extent. Few really knew whether full rights of citizenship could work out. Which is why civil rights ebbed and flowed throughout our history.

    Equality was long resisted; in health care, education, military, equality and equal access was deemed unworkable because the equality of nature was not recognized. Even as late as the fifties, hospitals in many cities had duplicate facilities and staff. The history of education is well known. The military resisted full integration, many thought it unworkable because there was no tradition of using black men as a fighting force was untried, the only examples were exceptions. (Even though each war, almost, had examples of black fighting units which acquitted themselves excellently. They were still the exception)

    Each step in the road to civil rights was an example of social engineering, and resisted because it was social engineering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Those aren't examples of social engineering.
    Trump is basically "Bruce Wayne pretending to be a foppish retarded billionaire" tier genius, in case nerds need a simpler metaphor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Today we can contrast Romney and Trump. One is a conservative icon, the other a Rino.
    Romney's a RINO, Trump is actually trying to roll back some of the progressive changes.
    Trump is basically "Bruce Wayne pretending to be a foppish retarded billionaire" tier genius, in case nerds need a simpler metaphor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    Social conservatism.

    Fiscal conservatism.

    Political conservatism.

    Judicial conservatism.

    Theological conservatism.

    Foreign policy conservatism.

    ALL DIFFERENT.


    How are we supposed to communicate meaningfully yet concisely?
    Chesterton summarised conservatism a hundred years ago, it's an attitude that conserves whatever changes the progressives made a generation ago. It doesn't actually conserve anything in the long run, not even bathrooms.
    Trump is basically "Bruce Wayne pretending to be a foppish retarded billionaire" tier genius, in case nerds need a simpler metaphor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    From reporting at Little Rock in 1957. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1957/09...2422151941066/

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    From reporting at Little Rock in 1957. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1957/09...2422151941066/
    Good, you recognise the picture. What do you learn from it, about force, power, government, and what the military will do during a theoretical dung hits fan scenario?
    Trump is basically "Bruce Wayne pretending to be a foppish retarded billionaire" tier genius, in case nerds need a simpler metaphor.

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