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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Lincoln was dead set against seeking revenge against the South
    When Honest Abe heard the news about the fall.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Perhaps you should move to a less prejudiced and bigoted part of the South?
    No matter where you live in the South you cannot escape the South. I do live in Hillsborough, NC a blue island in a sea of red.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    No matter where you live in the South you cannot escape the South. I do live in Hillsborough, NC a blue island in a sea of red.
    Shuny, I work pretty much with conservative Republicans in my church work, and pretty much with leftist Democrats in my work life, and I hear absolutely NOTHING that indicates hate for Lincoln in any way, shape or form.
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    I have a hard time ranking presidents. They are from different eras facing different challenges, and some didn't face any real challenges at all.

    Of the recent variety, I'd vote for Eisenhower to be on Rushmore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    No matter where you live in the South you cannot escape the South.
    Some of us would never dream of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronson View Post
    I have a hard time ranking presidents. They are from different eras facing different challenges, and some didn't face any real challenges at all.

    Of the recent variety, I'd vote for Eisenhower to be on Rushmore.
    The modern day conservatives, not all of them, but a good many of them, would see Eisenhower today as what they would call a Rino.

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    The romanticized sentimentalism of the Lost Cause mythology has taken firm root in the American conscience, and especially so in the south. In that mythology, some are elevated (Stonewall Jackson and Lee), others lessened (Longstreet, Grant, and Lincoln), while others dropped or ignored (Jefferson Davis).

    Different individuals and different groups adopt certain pieces of the mythology in different ways. I don't think anyone is saying that all southerners are monolithic and single minded. It is curious the way generalizations are interpreted.

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    How would Reconstruction have been different had Lincoln lived?

    Would it have been gentle and accepted by defeated populace? Would Lincoln have embarked on a course to extend emancipation to include the franchise (political rights as citizens)? Could Lincoln have steered a course which would avoid the Jim Crow legacy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Some of us would never dream of it.
    I will never leave the South, but I believe I am more honest as to the social problems of the South. Racism still rages under a veneer of superficial political correctness. Many in the South are still fighting the Civil War, and justifying the secession of Southern states. This reflects in the Southern negative view of Lincoln.
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    Frank

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    The modern day conservatives, not all of them, but a good many of them, would see Eisenhower today as what they would call a Rino.
    That would be amusing since Eisenhower was about as conservative as they come. Reagan, Nixon and the Bushes each expanded government more than Eisenhower. And it was Eisenhower who warned future generations about entrenched bureaucrats and getting involved in useless wars.

    If any of those Republicans were RINOs it would be Nixon. He was a liberal by almost any standard.

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