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    Why is Trump's white nationalist aide untouchable?

    It is both interesting and sad to read this: Stephen Miller: why is Trump's white nationalist aide untouchable?

    I cannot say I am surprised.

    More than 100 members of Congress, dozens of civil rights groups and at least 130,800 others have called on Miller to step down, or be fired, but the White House, and the broader Republican party, has still supported Miller after it was revealed he promoted racist fears such as a conspiracy theory about the demographic replacement of white people in America.
    Ruth Ben-Ghiat, who studies the history of fascism in Europe, said Miller was safe in the White House because he was the perfect combination of ideology and behind-the-scenes personality to appease Trump, an “attention-hungry leader” pushing far-right policies.

    “Miller is a quiet extremist and they are the most dangerous kind,” Ben-Ghiat said.
    Trump’s former deputy assistant Sebastian Gorka was photographed wearing a medal from Vitézi Rend, a group with historical links to Nazi Germany and the murder of Jews during the Holocaust. Gorka claimed that he only wore the medal to honour his father. Like Bannon, he no longer works in the White House.

    In August 2018, the speechwriter Darren Beattie stopped working at the White House after it was revealed he had spoken at a conference regularly attend by white nationalists.

    “That is a lot of people with anti-immigrant or white supremacist beliefs that have just flowed through this administration,” McCaw said. “Clearly, all those have been pushed out, but Miller remains. His staying power is that the president liked his anti-immigrant programs and shares his white supremacist beliefs.”
    "That is the little thing, the small thing, which Trump demands of his followers: To call hot cold. To call black white. To call wrong right." Michael Gerson

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    The problem is the term "white nationalist." I'm not saying Miller is not a racist (I honestly don't know much about the dude), but "white nationalist" has been overused to describe pretty much any white conservative type (in fact any white Trump supporter), especially conservatives that are vocal about immigration reform.
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    I sort of missed it. What makes Miller a white supremacist instead of just a person who is opposed to the Dems lack of an immigration policy?

    Does the opposition to Miller recognize that too many immigrants (even white ones) decreases the percent of people who understand the United States form of government ... and would be fine with taxation of the 'wealthy' so that new immigrants can get free benefits?

    Like SeanD, I don't know if Miller has racist views. But I don't know if the opposition to him is anything less than Dems wanting to go after Trump again.

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    I'm not sure what a white nationalist is. I'm a Western Chauvinist, and the West was largely created and maintained by whites. And since I recognize that fact, and since I am a nationalist, does that make me a white nationalist? Yet, it is more about ideology and common values than skin color. So....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    I sort of missed it. What makes Miller a white supremacist instead of just a person who is opposed to the Dems lack of an immigration policy?

    Does the opposition to Miller recognize that too many immigrants (even white ones) decreases the percent of people who understand the United States form of government ... and would be fine with taxation of the 'wealthy' so that new immigrants can get free benefits?

    Like SeanD, I don't know if Miller has racist views. But I don't know if the opposition to him is anything less than Dems wanting to go after Trump again.
    Miller has been on record emailing colleagues articles from VDARE. That's not simply an opposition to the Democrats' immigration policy. That site is outright vile. I'm a little disappointed about how many people in here are trying to play plausible deniability here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Miller has been on record emailing colleagues articles from VDARE. That's not simply an opposition to the Democrats' immigration policy. That site is outright vile. I'm a little disappointed about how many people in here are trying to play plausible deniability here.
    Is everything from VDARE vile? (For instance here is a article from Coulter, that I don't find vile https://vdare.com/articles/ann-coult...te-nationalist) And all I know of Miller is what I see on TV and he comes off as an ass... And Charles' link, linked to quotes from the Southern Poverty Law Center which list Miller's sins. And I don't trust them at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    I'm not sure what a white nationalist is. I'm a Western Chauvinist, and the West was largely created and maintained by whites. And since I recognize that fact, and since I am a nationalist, does that make me a white nationalist? Yet, it is more about ideology and common values than skin color. So....
    It's essentially synonymous with "white supremacist." A white nationalist is someone who believes that white people are genetically, intellectually, or otherwise innately superior to people who do not historically hail from from Western Europe (mostly North Western Europe), and/or who wish to keep their culture, values, and traditions separate and pure from those they see mixing and/or imposing (either actively or passively) their own non-Western European culture, values, and traditions.

    If I recall, seer, you're Italian, correct? Many Italians immigrants in the turn of the 19th/20th century suffered under that period's version of "white nationalists" who saw Italians as Pope-worshiping, greasy-haired, anarchist guineas. A label that derived from a slave route in Africa. So essentially it was very much akin to someone using the n-word. As you may know, it took time for Italians to shake off the stigma that Americans had for them.

    I think you play with fire, and potentially disrespect your heritage by calling into question what a white nationalist is, when (assuming you're, what, 60?) I imagine you know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Is everything from VDARE vile? (For instance here is a article from Coulter, that I don't find vile https://vdare.com/articles/ann-coult...te-nationalist) And all I know of Miller is what I see on TV and he comes off as an ass... And Charles' link, linked to quotes from the Southern Poverty Law Center which list Miller's sins. And I don't trust them at all.
    Using your logic, the SPLC article Charles cites shouldn't be dismissed either because maybe not everything they post is wrong. Fair is fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    It's essentially synonymous with "white supremacist." A white nationalist is someone who believes that white people are genetically, intellectually, or otherwise innately superior to people who do not historically hail from from Western Europe (mostly North Western Europe), and/or who wish to keep their culture, values, and traditions separate and pure from those they see mixing and/or imposing (either actively or passively) their own non-Western European culture, values, and traditions.

    If I recall, seer, you're Italian, correct? Many Italians immigrants in the turn of the 19th/20th century suffered under that period's version of "white nationalists" who saw Italians as Pope-worshiping, greasy-haired, anarchist guineas. A label that derived from a slave route in Africa. So essentially it was very much akin to someone using the n-word. As you may know, it took time for Italians to shake off the stigma that Americans had for them.

    I think you play with fire, and potentially disrespect your heritage by calling into question what a white nationalist is, when (assuming you're, what, 60?) I imagine you know better.
    I'm half Italian, with French, Spanish and Iranian. And yes when I was a kid we were called WOPS by the WASPS. But by your definition I don't think Steve Miller is a White Nationalist. But I will repeat that Western culture is superior, and that is not color dependent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Using your logic, the SPLC article Charles cites shouldn't be dismissed either because maybe not everything they post is wrong. Fair is fair.
    King I just looked into the VDARE site, they have articles by fairly generic conservatives (Michelle Malkin, Coulter, Buchanan, et al) as far as I can see. So what did Miller link that was so vile?
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