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  • #16
    An interesting view expressed by the editor in chief of the Jewish News Syndicate (JNS) Jonathan S. Tobin published in the Christian Post:

    The demands for his head are primarily about his views on immigration. They only reference the guilt by association charge in which he is damned for sharing articles that were published by a site that published other articles that were offensive because it helps to discredit him. When calls for Miller’s resignation are joined by open anti-Semites like Reps. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), who are treated by their liberal colleagues as rock stars rather than hatemongers, it’s hard to take this as anything more than partisan gamesmanship.


    While referring to Miller as "an alt-right troll" and "right-wing extremist" Tobin declares "Whether or not you disagree with them, Miller’s arguments about immigration are not proof of white supremacism" even if some of those views are commonly seen among racists.

    I think more research is called for.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      King I just looked into the VDARE site, they have articles by fairly generic conservatives (Michelle Malkin, Coulter, Buchanan, et al) as far as I can see. So what did Miller link that was so vile?
      Looking at the website, it appears that they re-host articles/book chapters from people like Michelle Malkin, Anne Coulter, and the like, but those people don't actually submit their work to the website. They do have actual writers who submit their work to the website directly, however, including white supremacists Jared Taylor who considers himself a "race realist," and John Derbyshire who considers himself a "racial dissident," and other white supremacists like Steve Sailer. The editor even admits that they publish work from white nationalists while downplaying that VDARE itself is a white supremacist website.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
        Three people responded before your post. SeanD and Mikewhitney aren't sure who Miller is and what exactly his views are, seer wonders exactly what 'White nationalist' means these days. I don't see anyone of those three, let alone more than one, denying anything.

        Ruth Ben-Ghiat is an advisor to 'Protect Democracy', which appears to have a board and staff consisting largely of people with significant Democrat connections.
        I think its the giving a satisfaction of a doubt rather than looking into it to see if the reports have any teeth that might be bugging KingsGambit. When people start tripping over the definition of "what exactly is a white nationalist anyways..." kinda nonsense, that's just like...come on, seriously?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Adrift View Post
          Looking at the website, it appears that they re-host articles/book chapters from people like Michelle Malkin, Anne Coulter, and the like, but those people don't actually submit their work to the website. They do have actual writers who submit their work to the website directly, however, including white supremacists Jared Taylor who considers himself a "race realist," and John Derbyshire who considers himself a "racial dissident," and other white supremacists like Steve Sailer. The editor even admits that they publish work from white nationalists while downplaying that VDARE itself is a white supremacist website.
          Well this is about Miller linking to articles on the VDARE site. Well which articles?
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Adrift View Post
            I think its the giving a satisfaction of a doubt rather than looking into it to see if the reports have any teeth that might be bugging KingsGambit. When people start tripping over the definition of "what exactly is a white nationalist anyways..." kinda nonsense, that's just like...come on, seriously?
            Adrift it is not nonsense. I have been called a white nationalist because I am a nationalist, I am white, and because I think western culture is superior. If you don't think those three qualifiers get you labeled in this present atmosphere you are not being realistic.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              Well this is about Miller linking to articles on the VDARE site. Well which articles?
              I'm not so much interested in Miller as I am the quibbling over the phrase "white nationalist" and VDARE itself, but apparently the article he linked was this one by white supremacist Steve Sailer: https://archive.li/dG96h

              The article itself is relatively benign compared to some of Sailer's other material, and it's possible that Miller linked to the article without having a clue about VDARE and Sailer's reputation, but it's not a good look for someone who is ravenously anti-immigration, even legal immigration. You'd expect someone in his position to be a little more careful with their sources.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                I think its the giving a satisfaction of a doubt rather than looking into it to see if the reports have any teeth that might be bugging KingsGambit. When people start tripping over the definition of "what exactly is a white nationalist anyways..." kinda nonsense, that's just like...come on, seriously?
                Pretty much exactly this.
                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  Adrift it is not nonsense. I have been called a white nationalist because I am a nationalist, I am white, and because I think western culture is superior. If you don't think those three qualifiers get you labeled in this present atmosphere you are not being realistic.
                  Oh stop. You're not a victim. You're playing with language you already know the implicit meaning of. If you sincerely don't mind the label "white nationalist," and want to wear it, go for it I guess. I think it's shameful, and totally un-Christian, and was hoping that the guy I've gotten to know all these years was better than that, but oh well. It's something I've been seeing you edging to for years, and was holding out hope that it was you just being sensationalist than honest about it. Not sure what it is about TWeb that keeps attracting racists, but it really sucks to see.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Adrift it is not nonsense. I have been called a white nationalist because I am a nationalist, I am white, and because I think western culture is superior. If you don't think those three qualifiers get you labeled in this present atmosphere you are not being realistic.
                    Western culture is superior to what culture and how? Do you even know what culture is?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                      Oh stop. You're not a victim. You're playing with language you already know the implicit meaning of. If you sincerely don't mind the label "white nationalist," and want to wear it, go for it I guess. I think it's shameful, and totally un-Christian, and was hoping that the guy I've gotten to know all these years was better than that, but oh well. It's something I've been seeing you edging to for years, and was holding out hope that it was you just being sensationalist than honest about it. Not sure what it is about TWeb that keeps attracting racists, but it really sucks to see.
                      These days, simply admitting you voted for Trump is enough to get you labeled a racist, white nationalist, Nazi, and several other pejoratives that aren't fit to utter in polite company.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                        Oh stop. You're not a victim. You're playing with language you already know the implicit meaning of. If you sincerely don't mind the label "white nationalist," and want to wear it, go for it I guess. I think it's shameful, and totally un-Christian, and was hoping that the guy I've gotten to know all these years was better than that, but oh well. It's something I've been seeing you edging to for years, and was holding out hope that it was you just being sensationalist than honest about it. Not sure what it is about TWeb that keeps attracting racists, but it really sucks to see.
                        Adrift, this all started when I questioned the definition of white nationalist. You jumped on that, but my only point is that the term has morphed to include almost anything. And I'm not playing the victim I'm just explaining the context. And I'm not edging towards anything - I have felt the same way on this issue for over a decade. What has changed is the growing hatred (and I do mean hatred) for whites. White toxicity, white privilege, etc... Even math now perpetuates white privilege...
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          These days, simply admitting you voted for Trump is enough to get you labeled a racist, white nationalist, Nazi, and several other pejoratives that aren't fit to utter in polite company.
                          Back in the Obama days, it was not unheard of to be labeled a socialist or commie if you supported that administration.

                          Yes, it’s true we’ve lurched further in the other direction in the Trump age, but you know that’s largely attributable to Trump’s carnival barker and exponentially more profane persona, which you’d be foolish to deny. It’s evident every day. Dude’s just weird in a way that no other president before him has ever been, and there’s no way to re-cork that genie.

                          If you’re an admirer of good riposte, you can’t seriously be enamored with his approach of surprised that it’s resulted in the continuation of more profane name calling and insults.
                          Last edited by whag; 12-05-2019, 09:30 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by whag View Post
                            Western culture is superior to what culture and how? Do you even know what culture is?
                            Liberal western democracies as opposed to the present Chinese or North Korean cultures for instance. Human rights as formed and articulated by these western democracies.
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              Liberal western democracies as opposed to the present Chinese or North Korean cultures for instance. Human rights as formed and articulated by these western democracies.
                              Ah, okay. So you really don’t know what culture is. Culture isn’t synonymous with political systems and society.

                              If I were you, I’d be careful to not label yourself a “white nationalist” until you investigate the differences between culture and systems of government and particularly the cultural contributions of Asia. See how the negative aspects of western culture, which have resulted in evils like the genocide of indigenous peoples and virulent racism, compare to eastern cultures. They’re both steeped in evil practices, so there’s very little to crow about being a white nationalist.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by whag View Post
                                Ah, okay. So you really don’t know what culture is. Culture isn’t synonymous with political systems and society.
                                Nonsense:

                                What Is Western Culture?

                                When people talk about Western culture, what exactly are they referring to? Western culture is an incredibly broad term used to describe the social norms, belief systems, traditions, customs, values, and so forth that have their origin in Europe or are based on European culture. America, for example, is firmly Western in culture. The East Coast of the United States was originally a British colony, and as America developed into its own independent nation, it carried with it many elements of European culture.

                                French culture, Spanish culture, and British culture are all sub-categories under the broad, loose category of Western culture. Europe and much of the Western Hemisphere is Western in culture. This is in contrast to Asia, which is Eastern in culture, and Africa, which - you guessed it - has its own unique African culture. Australia is largely Western in culture.

                                Western culture is a pretty fluid and loose term because it encompasses so much. Some of the central characteristics of Western culture include:

                                Democracy
                                Rational thinking
                                Individualism
                                Christianity
                                Capitalism
                                Modern technology
                                Human rights
                                Scientific thinking

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                                Western culture, sometimes equated with Western civilization, Occidental culture, the Western world, Western society, and European civilization, is the heritage of social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, belief systems, political systems, artifacts and technologies that originated in or are associated with Europe. The term also applies beyond Europe to countries and cultures whose histories are strongly connected to Europe by immigration, colonization, or influence. For example, Western culture includes countries in the Americas and Australasia, whose language and demographic ethnicity majorities are of European descent. Western culture has its roots in Greco-Roman culture from classical antiquity (see Western canon).

                                Ancient Greece is considered the birthplace of many elements of Western culture, including the development of a democratic system of government and major advances in philosophy, science and mathematics. The expansion of Greek culture into the Hellenistic world of the eastern Mediterranean led to a synthesis between Greek and Near-Eastern cultures,[3] and major advances in literature, engineering, and science, and provided the culture for the expansion of early Christianity and the Greek New Testament.[4][5][6] This period overlapped with and was followed by Rome, which made key contributions in law, government, engineering and political organization.[7] The concept of a "West" dates back to the Roman Empire, where there was a cultural divide between the Greek East and Latin West, a divide that later continued in Medieval Europe between the Catholic Latin Church west and the "Greek" Eastern Orthodox east.

                                Western culture is characterized by a host of artistic, philosophic, literary and legal themes and traditions. Christianity, including the Roman Catholic Church,[8][9][10] Protestantism[11][12] the Eastern Orthodox Church, and Oriental Orthodoxy,[13][14] has played a prominent role in the shaping of Western civilization since at least the 4th century,[15][16][17][18][19] as did Judaism.[20][21][22][23] Before the Cold War era, the traditional English viewpoint identified Western civilization with the Western Christian (Catholic–Protestant) countries and culture.[24][1] A cornerstone of Western thought, beginning in ancient Greece and continuing through the Middle Ages and Renaissance, is the idea of rationalism in various spheres of life developed by Hellenistic philosophy, scholasticism and humanism. The Catholic Church was for centuries at the center of the development of the values, ideas, science, laws and institutions which constitute Western civilization.[25][26] Empiricism later gave rise to the scientific method, the scientific revolution, and the Age of Enlightenment.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture

                                Now go away...
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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