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Originally posted by JimL View PostOnly White House staff had access to what goes on in the White House.
Again, do you think Schiff just made it up and then it magically came true?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSheesh! Try to follow the argument at least, CP.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd the White House NEVER leaks.
What do you mean "again"?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostLeaked or not, (what do you think the whistleblower is doing)
it came from the White House, that's the point. Damn, I hope you're just acting dumb.
I've asked you what your underlying theory is with respect to Schiff,
Tell us what you think may have gone on, and how it makes a difference with respect to the complaint.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostExplain yourself."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOnly White House staff had access to what goes on in the White House. Again, do you think Schiff just made it up and then it magically came true?
FYI: If Schiff had prior knowledge, there is a leaker, not a whistleblower."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by JimL View PostLeaked or not, (what do you think the whistleblower is doing) it came from the White House, that's the point. Damn, I hope you're just acting dumb.
I've asked you what your underlying theory is with respect to Schiff, Tell us what you think may have gone on, and how it makes a difference with respect to the complaint.
2) It brings Schiff's actions into question - it's a major ethics violation by itself. But since Schiff lied initially and the complaint shows clear signs of coaching, it also opens the question of criminal intent.
3) It and Schiff's subsequent actions are clear abuses of office.
It common parlance, it's corruption within the Democrat effort to remove a president."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View Post1) It invalidates the whistleblower complaint because those regulations require that the supervisor be notified first - and strictly prohibit releasing information outside the agency by the whistleblower prior to the formal complaint.
2) It brings Schiff's actions into question - it's a major ethics violation by itself. But since Schiff lied initially and the complaint shows clear signs of coaching, it also opens the question of criminal intent.
3) It and Schiff's subsequent actions are clear abuses of office.
It common parlance, it's corruption within the Democrat effort to remove a president.
(1) is false; you're not referencing the "regulations" (it's a law) and there's nothing in the law that says a whistleblower must first talk to ICIG. A whistleblower dealing with classified information must report to ICIG if he or she is going to discuss classified information but that's it. That's the purpose of the law, in fact -- to provide a lawful pathway for whistleblowers in the intelligence community to provide classified information when making a complaint.
(2) is false. If a whistleblower approaches HPSCI staff with non-classified information regarding a complaint and HPSCI staff both tell the whistleblower how to properly file a complaint with classified information and inform the chairman, that's not a "major ethics violation". That's what is supposed to happen. I am unaware of Schiff ever saying that his staff did not have that preliminary contact with the whistleblower. You'd need to cite a source but, otherwise, we're talking about an omission, not a lie ... and a significantly less concerning omission than Nunes' omission regarding his conversations with Parnas and Giuliani at key moments in the investigative time line.
(3) is false and it's unnecessary to refute what is simply postulated as a counter-assertion of "No, you're abusing power!" The many (changing) arguments for why Schiff has not led a lawful and normal HPSCI inquiry have been dealt with before -- including several court rulings -- but the complaint itself has never quite responded to those defeats.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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And it bears repeating that the whistleblower cannot be a "leaker" in the common parlance because leakers are people who reveal or release unauthorized material outside of proper channels.
There's no authorization required for telling HPSCI staff in vague terms about a potential complaint and the complaint itself progressed through proper channels (until the Trump administration unlawfully withheld it). Both ICIG and the Acting DNI have both said, including after the whistleblower's discussion with HPSCI staff became public knowledge) that the whistleblower acted appropriately and lawfully and that s/he would be protected as the law requires.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View Post(1) is false; you're not referencing the "regulations" (it's a law) and there's nothing in the law that says a whistleblower must first talk to ICIG. A whistleblower dealing with classified information must report to ICIG if he or she is going to discuss classified information but that's it. That's the purpose of the law, in fact -- to provide a lawful pathway for whistleblowers in the intelligence community to provide classified information when making a complaint.
(2) is false. If a whistleblower approaches HPSCI staff with non-classified information regarding a complaint and HPSCI staff both tell the whistleblower how to properly file a complaint with classified information and inform the chairman, that's not a "major ethics violation". That's what is supposed to happen. I am unaware of Schiff ever saying that his staff did not have that preliminary contact with the whistleblower. You'd need to cite a source but, otherwise, we're talking about an omission, not a lie ... and a significantly less concerning omission than Nunes' omission regarding his conversations with Parnas and Giuliani at key moments in the investigative time line.
(3) is false and it's unnecessary to refute what is simply postulated as a counter-assertion of "No, you're abusing power!" The many (changing) arguments for why Schiff has not led a lawful and normal HPSCI inquiry have been dealt with before -- including several court rulings -- but the complaint itself has never quite responded to those defeats.
--Sam"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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It does seem more than a little revealing that folks hectoring JimL to substantiate his claims for pages so readily shirk from discussion when presented with a substantive rebuttal. Not quite sure what post-truth Christianism will look like when it's fully mature but its adolescent phase isn't inspiring hope.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI'm right. Nyah."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostIt does seem more than a little revealing that folks hectoring JimL to substantiate his claims for pages so readily shirk from discussion when presented with a substantive rebuttal. Not quite sure what post-truth Christianism will look like when it's fully mature but its adolescent phase isn't inspiring hope.
--Sam
So until I stop being so annoyed about it - regardless whether it's even a fault - I'm not playing with you because gouging out virtual eyeballs is somehow bad and I'm finding this nails on a chalkboard sonata annoying enough to consider it."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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